Mr. Mcmillon.

There seemed to be to me, and a few minutes later, Captain Jones told us what he wanted done.

Mr. Griffin.

I see. But when you congregated outside of those swinging doors, it was everybody sort of milling around, nobody giving instructions?

Mr. Mcmillon.

It was right at first.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, did you see W.J. Harrison down there when you were outside of the swinging doors?

Mr. Mcmillon.

At what point?

Mr. Griffin.

At that point.

Mr. Mcmillon.

I don't recall if I saw him at that point or not, but I saw him down there.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall anybody that you saw down there as you congregated?

Mr. Mcmillon.

When we first arrived down there?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Mcmillon.

I don't know who all was down there. I know we were from the auto theft bureau. I recall Captain Jones being there.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, from the time that you got down there and taking the time that you were milling around in front of the swinging doors, how long was it from then until Lee Oswald was brought down?

Mr. Mcmillon.

I would say about 20 minutes.

Mr. Griffin.

Had the armored car been brought in?

Mr. Mcmillon.

I have to assume that the armored car was in the position that it was, since I have since learned what I have. As I recall, I never did see the armored car.

Mr. Griffin.

You just don't have any recollection of seeing it at all that day?

Mr. Mcmillon.

I don't remember seeing that armored car at all. I may have, but I sure don't remember.

Mr. Griffin.

Were the TV cameras moved while you were down there?

Mr. Mcmillon.

There was some TV cameras placed in position while we were there.

Mr. Griffin.

Were they moved out of one position to another while you were there?

Mr. Mcmillon.

I think I know what you mean. We had those people move back over kind of in the mouthway to this deal, which would have been in my position that I finally took up, just moments before the shooting, the position that I was in then. Anyway, we had moved or had instructect those people to move back over, which would have been to my right. I will correct that. Left. This is my left hand.

Mr. Griffin.

Okay. Now, let me ask you this. When you walked--went down there and were waiting before anybody gave you any instructions, did you see a TV camera on the jail office side of the railing, anywhere between the railing and the jail office?

Mr. Mcmillon.

It seems tO me like I did, but I can't be sure.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, do you remember whether a camera was moved from a position somewhere near the swinging doors back away across the ramp and behind the railing?

Mr. Mcmillon.

Yes; it seems to me like I do, but I wasn't paying any attention, because it seemed to me like there was cameras everywhere.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Now, there finally came a time when somebody gave you some instructions?

Mr. Mcmillon.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Who was that?

Mr. Mcmillon.

Captain Jones, and, of course, Lieutenant Smart was assisting him, but Captain Jones explained to us that, when they brought the prisoner out, that he wanted two lines formed and we were to keep these two lines formed, you know, a barrier on either side of them, kind of an aisle. We were kind of to make an aisle for them to walk through, and when they came down this aisle, we were to keep this line intact and move along with them until the man was placed in the car.

Mr. Griffin.

So you were sort of supposed to pick him up as a flanker?