Mr. Hubert.

Were you present when they spoke?

Mr. Crafard.

I was out front when he come out there.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he seem to know them or----

Mr. Crafard.

He knew them. They were acquainted.

Mr. Hubert.

They were acquainted?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You could tell that from the conversation?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, they just walked up to each other and shook hands and called each other by the first name.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember the substance of the conversation?

Mr. Crafard.

Mostly the conversation had to do with a twistboard exerciser that Ruby was trying to promote.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, go ahead.

Mr. Crafard.

And he was there for about a half, 45 minutes that evening, and it was 2 or 3 days later before I saw him again.

Mr. Hubert.

Before you go on, would you tell us how long after you joined the fair did you first see this man Ruby?

Mr. Crafard.

About 2 or 3 days, about 2 days after I joined the fair.

Mr. Hubert.

That would be about 2 days after the fair opened.

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And the second time you saw him was about 3 days after that?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe so, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What was the occasion of seeing him the second time?

Mr. Crafard.

He came out there to talk to Mr. Miles and Mr. Craven.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you overhear that conversation?

Mr. Crafard.

No, sir; I did not.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know what was the purpose of the conversation?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe Mr. Miles--he had brought some props, a couple of prop chairs, some chairs used for props and a mirror used for a prop to be used.

Mr. Hubert.

Jack Ruby brought that out to them?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What was his interest in this fair?

Mr. Crafard.

I had no idea.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he have any financial interest?

Mr. Crafard.

He bad some financial interest there.

Mr. Hubert.

How do you know that?

Mr. Crafard.

Mr. Craven had told me, we had been talking and he told me that Ruby had some financial interest in it.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he indicate what it was about, how much?

Mr. Crafard.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, did Ruby put up money?

Mr. Crafard.

From what I understood he had put up some money.

Mr. Hubert.

How much?

Mr. Crafard.

I have no idea.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you hear Mr. Craven or Mr. Miles talk about what percentage he might have in the interests of the project?

Mr. Crafard.

No, sir; whenever I was around Mr. Craven and Mr. Miles I was pretty busy working most of the time.

Mr. Hubert.

And you lived in the tent all the time?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have any friends in Dallas?

Mr. Crafard.

There was a few people that I know there.

Mr. Hubert.

Would you name them?

Mr. Crafard.

Well, at that time there was as far as I knew my brother-in-law, John Case, lived in Dallas.

Mr. Hubert.

He still did?

Mr. Crafard.

And there was a few members of the church my wife and I went to still in Dallas there.

Mr. Hubert.

Who were they?

Mr. Crafard.

Brother Lee Cooksey and Robert Roskydall I believe it is.

Mr. Hubert.

Who else?