Mr. Crafard.

And that was about the only ones I knew around there right then. I met some people during that fair.

Mr. Hubert.

As to these people you have named, how close a relationship did you develop?

Mr. Crafard.

Just church members together.

Mr. Hubert.

What church was that?

Mr. Crafard.

General Assembly and Church of the First Born.

Mr. Hubert.

Where is it located?

Mr. Crafard.

Out North Dallas is all I can give you.

Mr. Hubert.

Was this State fair project called. "How Hollywood Makes Movies," a success financially?

Mr. Crafard.

No; it was an absolute failure.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean people didn't flock to it?

Mr. Crafard.

We went bankrupt, they went broke.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean they closed before the fair closed?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, sir; it was only open for about a week. I had heard rumors to the effect that Mr. Craven had wrote a lot of bad checks to start with.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you paid any salary by them?

Mr. Crafard.

Mostly about all I got from them was expenses. It was supposed to be $5 a day but about all I got was my meals and cigarettes furnished.

Mr. Hubert.

You got money from them?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, did it actually close its doors and stop operating before the fair closed?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; about a week, it only ran about a week.

Mr. Hubert.

And the fair lasted how long?

Mr. Crafard.

2 weeks. When they left it was another outfit come in there with a dance band.

Mr. Hubert.

When you say, "come in there," you mean took over the space?

Mr. Crafard.

Took over the space in the same tent.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you stay with that outfit?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; I stayed with that outfit.

Mr. Hubert.

What was the name of it?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't believe they even had a real name for it.

Mr. Hubert.

Tell us some of the people who were connected with it.

Mr. Crafard.

Let's see. I can't even--there was Big Jess, he was one of the big shots around the State fair there.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he 8 musician?

Mr. Crafard.

No; he owns two or three rides on the fair grounds, permanent rides on the Dallas Texas State Fair Grounds.

Mr. Hubert.

How was he connected with the organization that took the place of the other one?

Mr. Crafard.

He took up the lease, the rent on the tent, on the space, and had this other outfit come in.

Mr. Hubert.

The other outfit I take it was a band?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; musical band.

Mr. Hubert.

How many pieces were there?

Mr. Crafard.

Let's see, I believe it was three- and four-piece band.

Mr. Hubert.

How was it supposed to make money?

Mr. Crafard.

Charged 50 cents to get in.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean to listen to the music?

Mr. Crafard.

Mostly listen to the music.

Mr. Hubert.

What else?

Mr. Crafard.

They had some couples on stage dancing.

Mr. Hubert.

They had some what?

Mr. Crafard.

They had some couples on stage dancing.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean couples from the audience?

Mr. Crafard.

At first and then they wouldn't allow them to have couples on the stage from the audience any more so they hired a couple of dancers.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did they hire them from?

Mr. Crafard.

Girls around the fairgrounds.

Mr. Hubert.

Did they get any from Ruby's place?