Mr. Crafard.

I don't know where his home is.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you know him prior to this time?

Mr. Crafard.

I had seen him prior to this time and heard of him prior to this time.

Mr. Hubert.

I mean it wasn't a hitchhike?

Mr. Crafard.

No, sir; I met him at the fairgrounds in Dallas, Tex., or in Memphis.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you drive straight to Dallas?

Mr. Crafard.

We drove straight to Dallas, Tex.

Mr. Hubert.

Now when you arrived in Dallas, what did you do?

Mr. Crafard.

I went to work with an outfit "How Hollywood Makes Movies" setup in the Dallas, Tex., State Fair.

Mr. Hubert.

Who was that?

Mr. Crafard.

Deke Miles and Bob Craven.

Mr. Hubert.

Had you known them before?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

What date was that?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't remember the date on that. It was the first day of the fair.

Mr. Hubert.

It was the first day of what fair?

Mr. Crafard.

The Dallas, Tex., State Fair.

Mr. Griffin.

This was in the fall of 1963?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

How much money did you make with them?

Mr. Crafard.

I made $5 a day.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did you live?

Mr. Crafard.

I. stayed in the tent. I was night watchman in the tent. They had a lot of props and equipment in the tent.

Mr. Hubert.

In the meantime what happened to your wife?

Mr. Crafard.

I had no idea.

Mr. Hubert.

To this day?

Mr. Crafard.

To this day, I found out what had happened later but right now I have no idea where she is at.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did she stay with your parents after you left?

Mr. Crafard.

She was there with my parents for about 2 or 3 weeks and then she took a job babysitting. She stayed there for about a week and then she took sick I understand and was in the hospital for about 3 days. Was back with my parents for about a week and then they went to Dallas, Tex. She left the boys with my parents, was in Dallas, Tex., for 2 or 3 weeks, then she went back up home and picked the boys up and the last I had heard of she had went to Cuba, Mo., and left the boys with a woman there in Cuba, Mo., and was paying her to take care of the boys.

Mr. Hubert.

How did you find out all this?

Mr. Crafard.

This woman in Missouri wrote to my mother, that is how I found out she had been there and my mother told me what had happened when she was still with them.

Mr. Hubert.

What is the last word you heard from your wife?

Mr. Crafard.

How is that?

Mr. Hubert.

What is the last time you heard anything about her?

Mr. Crafard.

The last time I heard anything about her, had any news or had any knowledge of her whatsoever was about, on Saturday the 7th, March 7 of this year.

Mr. Hubert.

You don't know where she is now?

Mr. Crafard.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Has she the children?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, sir; she has got the children.

Mr. Hubert.

When did you first meet Jack Ruby?

Mr. Crafard.

I met Jack Ruby about the third day of the Dallas, Fair, at the fairgrounds.

Mr. Hubert.

Tell us about how you met him.

Mr. Crafard.

He was backing the Mr. Craven and Mr. Miles, and he out there to talk to them.