Mr. Hubert.

I take it that these jobs simply gave you enough money to live on and save up a little so you could move to the next place?

Mr. Crafard.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

All right. After that where did you go?

Mr. Crafard.

I went to Michigan.

Mr. Hubert.

What place there?

Mr. Crafard.

Fife Lake, Mich.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did you live there?

Mr. Crafard.

I was there overnight. My sister and brother-in-law, Ingersol lived there, and----

Mr. Hubert.

And you stayed with them?

Mr. Crafard.

I stayed overnight there.

Mr. Hubert.

Then where did you go?

Mr. Crafard.

Then I went to--down into the southern part of Michigan, I joined another carnival down there.

Mr. Hubert.

What was the name of the carnival.

Mr. Crafard.

Happyland Amusements.

Mr. Hubert.

Who was the owner of it?

Mr. Crafard.

I am just trying to think of the name. I can think of the first name but I can't think of his last name.

Mr. Hubert.

Suppose you give us that.

Mr. Crafard.

His first name was Bob. There were two brothers owned it.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did you stay with them?

Mr. Crafard.

I was with them for about 3 weeks. We traveled from Michigan to Memphis, Tenn. We played the Memphis Fair.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did you stay in Memphis?

Mr. Crafard.

We was there for 2 weeks.

Mr. Hubert.

What was your next move?

Mr. Crafard.

My next move was, while I was in Memphis I quit them and went to work for Leonard Wood who owned a trabant.

Mr. Hubert.

What is that?

Mr. Crafard.

It is one of the newest owned rides out, it is a German-made ride.

Mr. Hubert.

Leonard Wood was his name?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, sir; that was in Memphis, Tenn.

Mr. Hubert.

And you joined him really to move, is that right?

Mr. Crafard.

No. I made the move with a friend of mine.

Mr. Hubert.

I understood that you were working with the circus or carnival operated by a man named Bob and his brother?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And you quit them to join Leonard Wood's outfit.

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; it was better pay.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did you stay with Wood?

Mr. Crafard.

I was with them for, I think it was the last 4 days of the fair, about 4 days.

Mr. Hubert.

Then you quit him?

Mr. Crafard.

Actually I got fired from him. There was a girl there that kept hanging around the ride and we couldn't get rid of her and everybody tried to get rid of her. She thought she was in love with me or something.

Mr. Hubert.

So Leonard Wood fired you?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And what did you do next?

Mr. Crafard.

I traveled to Dallas, Tex.

Mr. Hubert.

How did you travel?

Mr. Crafard.

With a friend of mine, Mickey Spillane.

Mr. Hubert.

Mickey who?

Mr. Crarard.

Mickey Corday.

Mr. Hubert.

How do you spell the last name?

Mr. Crafard.

C-o-r-d-a-y.

Mr. Hubert.

How did you travel?

Mr. Crafard.

Traveled down in his car.

Mr. Hubert.

Where is he from, do you know?