Mr. Hubert.

You knew her about 15 months then before you got married?

Mr. Crafard.

All told; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you working in Dallas at the time you met her?

Mr. Crafard.

I wasn't employed at the time I met my wife.

Mr. Hubert.

How did you meet her?

Mr. Crafard.

I met her at the Salvation Army in Amarillo, Tex.

Mr. Hubert.

What was she doing?

Mr. Crafad.

She was there with her husband Donald Johnson at that time.

Mr. Hubert.

She was living with him?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

When was she divorced from her husband?

Mr. Crafard.

She was divorced in 1962, I believe, in April, I am not sure.

Mr. Hubert.

All the time you were living up in Oregon with your parents, did you see her or correspond with her?

Mr. Crafard.

No; I hadn't saw her for a year.

Mr. Hubert.

You had not seen her for a year when you married her?

Mr. Crafard.

No, sir; I had--I went to Dallas, Tex., trying to find her. From Dallas, Tex., I went to Las Vegas, Nev., where I got in touch with her and where we corresponded for a period of about 5 months.

Mr. Hubert.

I gather from what you say that your interest in her as a person to be your wife grew up during this period?

Mr. Crafard.

Mostly, yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And she agreed to marry you and came up to Dallas, Oreg., to do so?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did she work while you were living in Dallas, Oreg.?

Mr. Crafard.

No, sir; she lived with my parents.

Mr. Hubert.

And so did you?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you have any children?

Mr. Crafard.

I have one child by her. She has a stepson, I have a stepson, her son.

Mr. Hubert.

She had a son by the first marriage?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

What is that son's name?

Mr. Crafard.

Don Johnson, Billy Don Johnson.

Mr. Hubert.

How old is he?

Mr. Crafard.

He is 2 years old approximately.

Mr. Hubert.

He is 2 years old now?

Mr. Crafard.

He was 2 years old in December. He will be 2 1/2.

Mr. Hubert.

And you have a child by her?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, sir; Robert Johnson.

Mr. Hubert.

When was that child born?

Mr. Crafard.

He was born March 10, 1963--March 2, excuse me.

Mr. Hubert.

When did you move to Dallas, Tex.--let's take it chronologically. What happened after you left, where did you go after you left Dallas, Oreg.?

Mr. Crafard.

I went to California, I left Dallas, Oreg., the first day of March 1963. I went to California where I spent the month, spent about 3 or 4 weeks, then I went to Dallas, Tex., where my wife was living. We had a reconciliation.

Mr. Hubert.

Before you tell us about the reconciliation, you had better tell us about the breakup because I don't think that is in the record yet.

Mr. Crafard.

We she had left me about 6 months after we married, and I stayed in Dallas, Oreg.

Mr. Hubert.

So she left you about December 1962?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; I stayed in Dallas, Oreg, for about 6 months after that.

Mr. Hubert.

She was pregnant then, was she not?

Mr. Crafard.

To my knowledge, as far as I know; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

The child was born in March of 1963.

Mr. Crafard.

Well, I will tell you the truth, the doctor has some doubts himself so I couldn't say.