Mr. Hubert.

I mean she was pregnant when she left is what I mean in December. I think we are thinking about two different things.

Mr. Crafard.

No. I believe we are thinking about the same thing.

Mr. Hubert.

I am not asking you whether she was pregnant when you married her.

Mr. Crafard.

No; I know that.

Mr. Hubert.

I am asking you whether she was pregnant when she left you in December of 1962, because you have just told us that the child was born in March of 1963.

Mr. Crafard.

I will put it this way. When the doctor was informed she had a child, her doctor was then informed she had a child, he was very shocked and surprised that she had had a child, and she was his patient in May of 1962. He operated on her in May of 1962. So in other words, there is some doubt as to the fact that the child was mine and actually there is a little doubt as to the child is actually hers.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, I wish you would explain that latter part. How can there be some doubt that the child is hers?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't really understand it entirely myself. But the doctor that performed the operation when he was informed she had had the child he was very shocked and very surprised that she had had a child. He wouldn't say any reason for being so but he was. But I took him--I had understood from him that she wouldn't be able to have a child for about 2 years after the operation.

Mr. Hubert.

What was the cause of your breakup?

Mr. Crafard.

That, I do not know.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean she just left?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did she leave any notes or anything?

Mr. Crafard.

She didn't leave anything. I went to work on Tuesday morning and come home Tuesday and she was gone.

Mr. Hubert.

With her child?

Mr. Crafard.

With the boy; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you attempt to find her?

Mr. Crafard.

I put a tracer on her.

Mr. Hubert.

Well now, when you say you put a tracer, what do you mean?

Mr. Crafard.

I had the law put a tracer out on her.

Mr. Hubert.

As a missing person?

Mr. Crafard.

As a missing person; yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you get any reports?

Mr. Crafard.

No, sir; I didn't.

Mr. Hubert.

When did you next see her or hear from her?

Mr. Crafard.

I heard from her in February of 1963. The latter part.

Mr. Hubert.

In what way?

Mr. Crafard.

She wrote to me and told me that she was going to have the baby, and then in March of 1963 I received a letter in California, my folks had sent down to me, from her saying that she had had the baby and would love for me to come see the baby if I wanted to. And I went to Dallas, Tex. And we had a reconciliation.

Mr. Hubert.

What date did you arrive in Dallas, do you know?

Mr. Crafard.

Let's see, right around the 14th, I believe.

Mr. Hubert.

Of March?

Mr. Crafard.

Of March.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have any money then?

Mr. Crafard.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Have any other kind of property?

Mr. Crafard.

No, Sir; just a few clothes.

Mr. Hubert.

Is it fair to say you were. pretty broke?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, sir; I was.

Mr. Hubert.

Where was she living?

Mr. Crafard.

She was at that time staying with her mother and father in Dallas, Tex.

Mr. Hubert.

At what location?