Mr. Crafard.

He had the sword box, ladder of swords, fire eater, two-headed baby show, and a snake girl show.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you do at that carnival?

Mr. Crafard.

Roustabout and barker.

Mr. Hubert.

How long were you with them?

Mr. Crafard.

I was with Lepke for about a week.

Mr. Hubert.

All right. After that?

Mr. Crafard.

Then I went to Michigan.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did you stay there?

Mr. Crafard.

I visited with my sister and my brother-in-law again for a little while for about 2 weeks.

Mr. Hubert.

Which one?

Mr. Crafard.

Tenniswood. Then I went to Detroit where I joined a kiddy-land setup.

Mr. Hubert.

That is sort of a carnival strictly for children?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; parking lot carnival.

Mr. Hubert.

About what time was that then?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe that was in the fall of 1961.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did you stay with that organization?

Mr. Crafard.

I was with him for about 2 weeks.

Mr. Hubert.

Then what did you do?

Mr. Crafard.

I went back to Dallas, Oreg.

Mr. Hubert.

When you got to Dallas what did you do? Oregon, I mean.

Mr. Crafard.

I went to work part time at the Muir and McDonald Leather Tannery and then I went to work for Boise Cascade Valzets Division for the Boise Cascade Plywood. I worked for them until in June of 1962, June 10th, 1962.

Mr. Hubert.

How long then did you work for them?

Mr. Crafard.

For about 6 months, I believe it was.

Mr. Hubert.

What were you making there?

Mr. Crafard.

I was making, I believe, $2.25 an hour.

Mr. Hubert.

About what did it amount to by the month before taxes?

Mr. Crafard.

About $400, $450.

Mr. Hubert.

YOu were not married at this time?

Mr. Crafard.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you able to save money?

Mr. Crafard.

I was spending my money just about as fast as I made it. I was traveling, paying for transportation back and forth to work, buying clothes. By that time I had bought a motorcycle or a motorbike, and I bought a few items, I bought a refrigerator for my mother or a dryer for my mother at that time.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, we have some information that you worked for Federal Aviation Agency through July and October of 1960 in Los Angeles?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; in Los Angeles--I believe they were out of Los Angeles, where I worked for them that was over in Nevada.

Mr. Hubert.

What kind of work did you do?

Mr. Crafard.

Surveyor's assistant. I had forgotten I had worked for them.

Mr. Hubert.

Can you tell us anything about your employment with Stewart-Hill in Berkeley, Calif., 1052 Dwight Way, Berkeley, Calif?

Mr. Crafard.

1 don't remember even.

Mr. Hubert.

That would have been between July and September of 1960?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't remember.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember working for the Teer Plating Co., Dallas, Tex.

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Tell us about it, please.

Mr. Crafard.

I believe I worked for them 2 or 3 weeks, something like that.

Mr. Hubert.

How much did you make with them?

Mr. Crafard.

I was making a dollar and a quarter an hour while I worked for them. I believe when I left there my last check was either $65 or $85.

Mr. Hubert.

Is that the first time you had ever been in Dallas, Tex.?

Mr. Crafard.

Let's see, I believe it was, I am not certain of that.

Mr. Hubert.

That was between April and June of 1961, was it not?