Mr. Montgomery.

walk up to the door to Captain Fritz' office. And they went in, of course, the blinds were drawn in Fritz' office, so, I couldn't see who was in there.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you do after they took Ruby into Fritz' office?

Mr. Montgomery.

Well, I sat down and answered some more of them phone calls.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did you do that?

Mr. Montgomery.

I don't recall anything outstanding from then on. I know I didn't get off until, have to look at my notebook again. Yes; seemed to me about 10.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you take Ruby back upstairs?

Mr. Montgomery.

No; I didn't take him back upstairs.

Mr. Griffin.

No?

Mr. Montgomery.

No; I didn't take him back upstairs.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see him taken back upstairs?

Mr. Montgomery.

No; I, evidently, was in the squad room at the time he was taken back.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see Ruby brought back down a second time?

Mr. Montgomery.

No; I didn't, not that day; no.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you in the homicide bureau the entire time?

Mr. Montgomery.

In and out.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you out for any period as long as 10 or 15 minutes?

Mr. Montgomery.

Well, I talked to one witness back for, I guess for about 20 or 30 minutes. The way our office is set up they could have carried him in and taken him back out without some of them sitting back in the squad room ever seeing him come in or go out.

Mr. Griffin.

This first occasion when you brought Ruby down, was Agent Sorrels of the Secret Service in Fritz' office?

Mr. Montgomery.

I couldn't say for sure, because those blinds were drawn to the captain's office, and I couldn't see who all was in there. I walked up to the door. I could see Captain Fritz, and Hall and Boyd stepped on inside.

Mr. Griffin.

Okay. Go ahead.

Mr. Montgomery.

At 10:30--I left at 10:30 Sunday night.

Mr. Griffin.

Prior to 10:30, I take it you answered; you didn't see Ruby again?

Mr. Montgomery.

Not that Sunday; no.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Did you talk--did you see Archer again on that Sunday?

Mr. Montgomery.

Archer and them, let's see, were in our office, when we got back from the hospital--Archer and Harrison, Cutchshaw and Lowery were all in the office when we got back.

Mr. Griffin.

Was there any discussion in there about how Ruby got into the basement?

Mr. Montgomery.

I think there was some somebody say, "How did he get down here?"

Mr. Griffin.

And what was said?

Mr. Montgomery.

Well, of course, no.body knew for sure. Said, "Well, no telling how he got in."

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see Archer after that other than when you saw him up in the jail cell?

Mr. Montgomery.

Not that day. I don't believe Archer was in our office. I know Harrison and Cutchshaw and Lowery were in there, and McMillon was upstairs with Archer, because I remember now in the scuffle down here in apprehending Jack Ruby, McMillon lost his hat, and, of course, I thought it was Ruby's hat, so, I was hanging onto it, you know, and on the way to Parkland I looked inside and T.D. McMillon's initials were in it, so, upon our arrival back from Parkland Hospital to the office, I went down to McMillon's office and left his hat.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you talk with Harrison at all about how Ruby got in, Blackie Harrison?

Mr. Montgomery.

I don't believe I did.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you talk with Lowery at all about it?

Mr. Montgomery.

Well, like I say, we were all back there in that squad