Mr. Montgomery.

sure no one came in or went out other than doctors and nurses, which we did that until they transferred him up to the operating room.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, at Parkland Hospital did you hear any rumors about how Ruby got into the station.

Mr. Montgomery.

Well, I don't know if I heard it out there or where.

Mr. Griffin.

Now----

Mr. Montgomery.

I guess I did. I probably heard it out at Parkland.

Mr. Griffin.

I take it that what you are about to talk about is the first rumor that you heard?

Mr. Montgomery.

About the only one I ever heard.

Mr. Griffin.

All right.

Mr. Montgomery.

He just walked down there as one of the officers was backing the car out. There was a car down there that had to back out the Main Street ramp. As they were backing it out, the officers that were lined up here on the ramp right here [indicating] as security, were assisting this car out, because the ramp was coming, you know, the wrong way there. And they were assisting that car out. Evidently went down there then.

Mr. Griffin.

There were a number of rumors that were circulating. Did you ever hear the rumor that he got in with the press pass?

Mr. Montgomery.

No; I--not press pass.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you hear any rumor that he got out of a police car?

Mr. Montgomery.

No; I hadn't heard that one.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever hear the rumor that he came in with some TV cameras?

Mr. Montgomery.

Yes; I heard that he picked up one and brought it down there. That's right.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, trying to probe your memory, try to tell us exactly as you can just what you knew, or what rumors you heard at Parkland Hospital and if you don't really have an accurate memory about it at all, I would like to know when you feel most certain that you knew something about how Ruby got into the jail.

Mr. Montgomery.

I don't recall exactly when I heard the rumor; how he got down there.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did you remain in Parkland Hospital?

Mr. Montgomery.

I guess an hour. We were there an hour.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, now, when you left, of course, you--you knew Ruby, you had known him for some time, so, when you left the jail, of course you knew who the guy was who had shot Oswald?

Mr. Montgomery.

Uh-huh.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, when you got out to Parkland Hospital, do you remember anybody who was out there asking questions about any other officers, or asking questions about who it was that shot Oswald?

Mr. Montgomery.

No; I don't remember anybody asking me anything about it.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you hear conversation out at Parkland Hospital that would have identified Ruby as the person who shot Oswald?

Mr. Montgomery.

No; I didn't hear anybody out there saying, you know, that Ruby shot Oswald.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you talk to any reserve officers out there at Parkland Hospital?

Mr. Montgomery.

No; I don't believe I did.

Mr. Griffin.

As you took Oswald out to Parkland Hospital, was it generally known among all the people who were escorting Oswald to Parkland that Ruby had been the guy?

Mr. Montgomery.

Well, of course, I was in the car with Captain Fritz, Beck, and Brown, and as far as any ambulance, where Oswald was, I don't know if it----

Mr. Griffin.

All the people in your car knew it was Ruby?

Mr. Montgomery.

No; Captain Fritz didn't know who it was. They didn't know each other.

Mr. Griffin.

He knew the name of the man who had shot Oswald was Ruby

at that time, didn't he?