Mr. Montgomery.

I assume they were over here, because all you could see was a glare of lights. You couldn't see anything.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, over to your left as the Main Street ramp comes down, were you able to tell how many rows deep the newspaper people were?

Mr. Montgomery.

No; I couldn't tell about how many rows there were.

Mr. Griffin.

All right; now, what happened after you slowed up?

Mr. Montgomery.

Well, can I back up here just a second.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Montgomery.

Coming out this door here---[indicating] evidently several news media over in this area here [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

Now, you are pointing to the area on the map----

Mr. Montgomery.

Be the north wall here [indicating]----

Mr. Griffin.

Would you place "X's" on the map where you think you saw newspaper people.

Mr. Montgomery.

Looked to me all along right in here [indicating] because as soon as we came out this door, well, the this bunch here Just moved in on us.

Mr. Griffin.

I see. You want to--will you put these "X's"? You want to make a little note, "Newspapermen," or "news"----

Mr. Montgomery.

Like I say, they moved in towards us and had those long-looking microphones and cramming them over there in Oswald's face.

Mr. Griffin.

Were there any police officers at the point where you have marked those "X's", holding them back?

Mr. Montgomery.

It could have been. I didn't recognize them. Very well could have been.

Mr. Griffin.

Go ahead.

Mr. Montgomery.

Like I say, we came out there. They crammed those mikes over there, and we had to slow up for just a second, because they was backing this car into position. It was supposed to have been in position when we got there, but it wasn't there, so, we had to pause, or slow down for the car to come on back. And, of course, this pause there Captain Fritz opened the door of the car. He walked up to the door there. I don't say he opened the door or not. I didn't see him open the door. He just walked up to it and then
I saw a blur or something and I couldn't tell what it was. I couldn't tell, and I heard what sounded like a shot.

Mr. Griffin.

And----

Mr. Montgomery.

And then----

Mr. Griffin.

Did you hear anybody say anything?

Mr. Montgomery.

There was--just fixing to say there was just kind of a roar, you know, people hollering and everything.

Mr. Griffin.

Before you heard this shot, did you hear anybody say anything?

Mr. Montgomery.

All these newspaper reporters were hollering, "Why did you shoot the President?" And all that stuff.

Mr. Griffin.

Off the record.
(Discussion off the record.)

Mr. Griffin.

Back on the record. Now, what did you say happened when you heard the shot?

Mr. Montgomery.

Well, Officer Graves was on Oswald's left and I went around Officer Graves to try to help get--and, of course, when I got around there several officers had hold of him, and I grabbed him around the throat, and was applying a choke hold on him, and, of course, we drug him off to one side over on the cement there on the ramp.

Mr. Griffin.

What kind of struggle was he putting up?

Mr. Montgomery.

He was putting up a struggle. with so many officers on him, it wasn't too much, could have couldn't have been too much. First time we put him down it was right here [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

Well, don't put an "X" there. Block that "X" off. Make a circle, or something. You want to put a little arrow to that and say it was Ruby?

Mr. Montgomery.

Right here [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

Okay; now, what did you do when you got him down on the cement at that spot?

Mr. Montgomery.

AS soon as we got him down here we made a--I didn't--