Mrs. Pitts.

Yes, it sounded like him in one way, and when he went to talking, you know, just saying the same thing two or three times, that is what--that is when I asked him, you know, if I was talking to Mr. Jack Ruby.

Mr. Hubert.

So, there was some doubt in your mind as to whether it was Jack Ruby?

Mrs. Pitts.

Yes, sir. It was a doubt in something wrong with him the way he was talking to me. Other things--- times I would have, you know, just laid my work down and went ahead on.
I called my daughter and told her, and she said, "Well, are you going over there now?" And, "No; he don't sound right to me over the phone. I am going to wait."

Mr. Hubert.

What I want to get at is this, whether or not you can say it was Jack Ruby that you were talking to but that he seemed different?

Mrs. Pitts.

Yes, sir; that was him.

Mr. Hubert.

Or whether or not he seemed so different that you were not sure that it was Jack Ruby?

Mrs. Pitts.

Yes, sir. It was him. I'm sure of that, but then he just was indifferent He sure did talk indifferent; yes, sir. He sure did.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, did he tell you that he was going out, or that he would be back around 2?

Mrs. Pitts.

Said he was going out, he would try to be back by 2. That is what he told me. He says, "You call me before." That is what he told me.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he tell you when he was going out, Mrs. Pitts?

Mrs. Pitts.

No, sir; didn't tell me, says, "I am going out." That is what he says, and I says to him, I says, "If you are going to have company or something"--I says, "I can wait and come tomorrow." He said, "Oh, no; you come on."

Mr. Hubert.

Can you fix a little better for us the time that th4s conversation took place?

Mrs. Pitts.

It was after 8 o'clock, was way after 8, but just to tell the truth----

Mr. Hubert.

You say "Way after 8," you mean way after 8 on the way to 9?

Mrs. Pitts.

Well, I imagine somewhere around 8:30, then, I guess it was.

Mr. Hubert.

It wasn't after 9?

Mrs. Pitts.

No, sir; it wasn't after 9.

Mr. Hubert.

How can you be sure about that? Is there anything that you remember that makes you say it was not before 8 but afterward, and not before 9?

Mrs. Pitts.

Well, the children had the programs on Sundays, and I know then that they was a, you know, singing, and that is why I know it was between 8--8:30 and 9.

Mr. Hubert.

That was what I was trying to get at, get something that you could identify so that you could fix the time that way.

Mrs. Pitts.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you go to church, perhaps, that day?

Mrs. Pitts.

No, sir; I didn't.

Mr. Hubert.

Children go to church?

Mrs. Pitts.

No, sir; they--they was intending to go to church. One you see, one, I think, did go to Sunday school, but church.

Mr. Hubert.

What time did he go?

Mrs. Pitts.

That one going to Sunday school was ready and gone before then.

Mr. Hubert.

What time does Sunday school begin?

Mrs. Pitts.

Well, Sunday school begins around, I think, 9 o'clock.

Mr. Hubert.

So, he had already gone?

Mrs. Pitts.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Could you say----

Mrs. Pitts.

Have to walk a little piece.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, does that help you to fix the time of the conversation with Mr. Ruby?