Mrs. Pitts.

Well, that program there, that is what I----

Mr. Hubert.

What program was it?

Mrs. Pitts.

Something on that KBOX program where those preaching, you know, and having church there, and that is the reason I said it is between 8:30 and 9.

Mr. Hubert.

When you first spoke to Mr. Ruby, did he seem to have just awakened, or what?

Mrs. Pitts.

Well, I don't know know if he----

Mr. Hubert.

Did he say he had just awakened?

Mrs. Pitts.

No; I didn't ask him that.

Mr. Hubert.

DO you know Mr. George Senator?

Mrs. Pitts.

I know of him. I cleaned for him twice.

Mr. Hubert.

He lived in the same apartment, or a different one?

Mrs. Pitts.

He was living next door to him when I cleaned for him. He was 206, and Mr. Ruby was 205.

Mr. Hubert.

Let's see. This apartment that you were going to clean on November 24, what was the number of it?

Mrs. Pitts.

That was Mr. Ruby. In 205.

Mr. Hubert.

Sure it was not 207?

Mrs. Pitts.

That is it. He 206. Senator was right next door.

Mr. Hubert.

Next door, or across?

Mrs. Pitts.

No; right against Mr. Ruby's, and, Senator--and Mr. George Senator was right at--you're right, 207. I keep saying 205, but it was 207.

Mr. Hubert.

207?

Mrs. Pitts.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know whether or not Mr. Senator and Mr. Ruby were sharing apartment 207 on November 24, or sometime before that?

Mrs. Pitts.

Well, I hadn't been there in--and seen him. I hadn't, but when I had went there and cleaned--started to clean his apartment where Mr. George used to live, and he had moved out, but when--where did he move then, I don't know.

Mr. Hubert.

So, any Sunday you ever went to Mr. Ruby's apartment, you don't know whether Mr. Senator was sharing that apartment or not?

Mrs. Pitts.

No; he would come over there when he lived right there next to him, but, see, when he moved, well, then, I hadn't been there in a long time, so, then, I had seven vacant apartments to do just before this all happened, so, then I----

Mr. Hubert.

Did Mr. Ruby have a two-bedroom apartment?

Mrs. Pitts.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Had you noticed before that both bedrooms had been occupied by people, that is to say, by cleaning up, by seeing that the beds had been slept in and so forth, you can tell when the rooms----

Mrs. Pitts.

No; the bed was made. Now, the manager told me, but I didn't see him there. Now, the manager told me that they must--this man Senator had moved over there, but then I didn't see him there.

Mr. Hubert.

He didn't pay you?

Mrs. Pitts.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ever talk to Mr. Senator over the phone?

Mrs. Pitts.

No, no. I--he called me from his apartment once and talked to me about coming to clean for him, but he didn't talk to me, Mr. Ruby.

Mr. Hubert.

Was it possible that the man you spoke to on November 24, was not Mr. Ruby, but Mr. Senator?

Mrs. Pitts.

It sounded like Mr. Ruby, but he just--he started talking off all right and then he would go, you know, to talking funny to me, and don't didn't ever do.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean kind of mad at you?

Mrs. Pitts.

No; it wasn't mad, but just talking strange, you know how a person talks strange, kind of. Don't really understand what they are really saying, I guess.

Mr. Hubert.

You testified, didn't you, in Mr. Ruby's trial?