(Testimony of Karen Bennett Carlin)
Mrs. Carlin.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
Who was Joy Dale's boy friend?
Mrs. Carlin.
Yes. They were supposed to get married.
Mr. Hubert.
And you saw them, this gray-haired man and Tommy, several times together?
Mrs. Carlin.
About two or three times, I would say.
Mr. Hubert.
How long before the President's death?
Mrs. Carlin.
Oh, I don't know. I never did pay that much attention to him.
Mr. Hubert.
Were they always together, those two?
Mrs. Carlin.
I wouldn't say they were together. He just was sitting there. I don't know whether they left together or nothing, whether they were friends or not.
Mr. Hubert.
But they were sitting at the same table?
Mrs. Carlin.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
You wouldn't remember if the two or three times prior to the President's death that you saw them together were consecutive nights or not, would you?
Mrs. Carlin.
No; I never did pay that much attention to either one of them.
Mr. Hubert.
Would you think those two or three times, whatever they were, that you saw Tommy and the gray-haired man together, would have been within a week prior to the President's death?
Mrs. Carlin.
I wouldn't say, because I didn't pay that much attention.
Mr. Hubert.
But in any case, the gray-haired man that you have been referring to subsequently had really a job with the club? That is to say----
Mrs. Carlin.
No; not at that time, he wasn't.
Mr. Hubert.
I mean later. I said subsequently.
Mrs. Carlin.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
After Oswald was killed then this same gray-haired man had a job collecting the cover charges at the front door?
Mrs. Carlin.
Whether he was paid for it or not, he was doing it.
Mr. Hubert.
And he seemed to be, so far as you could tell, under the authority of Paul?
Mrs. Carlin.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
Ralph?
Mrs. Carlin.
Ralph.
Mr. Hubert.
Ralph Paul?
Mrs. Carlin.
Well, I don't know anything about Ralph.
Mr. Hubert.
How old a man is Ralph? Are you feeling bad?
Mrs. Carlin.
No. He is about 40 or 45, I would say.
Mr. Hubert.
Ralph Paul is?
Mrs. Carlin.
Yes; between 40 and 45. He is old. He is old to me.
Mr. Jackson.
I think that is the age of the interrogator.
Mrs. Carlin.
I am sorry, but he is old to me. Gray-halted and being so fat.
Mr. Jackson.
The closer you get to it, the younger it is.
Mr. Hubert.
Have you seen Ruby since Oswald was shot?
Mrs. Carlin.
Only in court.
Mr. Hubert.
You testified in court?
Mrs. Carlin.
Two; I went to two different court hearings.
Mr. Hubert.
Did you testify twice or once?
Mrs. Carlin.
Twice.
Mr. Hubert.
Was the first one on the insanity hearing, I suppose?
Mrs. Carlin.
I don't know what the hearing was on. I think it was on the bond hearing. He was trying to get out on bond.
Mr. Hubert.
Did you testify at his actual trial in the latter part of February and the first part of March?
Mrs. Carlin.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
Could you tell us what was the general nature of your testimony there?
Mrs. Carlin.
The same thing that has been asked here.
Mr. Hubert.
Had you been interviewed by Mr. Belli prior?
Mrs. Carlin.
No; the only time I talked to Belli was on the bond hearing.
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