Mrs. Carlin.

It was about the same thing. She had came back to work and was supposed to be pregnant and sick, and she was dying, so she came in, she was late for her first show, and Jack didn't say anything, and all of us girls were mad and wouldn't talk to her. So she did her first show, and she was supposed to be hurting bad and she wanted to get out of the second show, and Just came back from the week after staying out, and she went to Jack, and you could hear her plumb to the opposite office.
There was a wall, and you could hear her there fussing and cussing because she wanted to take off the second show. And he told her she had been off a week and he couldn't afford to pay her salary when she wasn't doing a job at all. And he said, "If you don't like your job, you know what you could do."

Mr. Hubert.

Was that an indication that there might have been some relationship between them other than business?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes. Well, I know it wasn't hearsay. I know that they were going together, and Joy was using this over his head.

Mr. Jackson.

How do you know this?

Mrs. Carlin.

She told me, and also Jack made indications that he was going with her.

Mr. Hubert.

That she went to his apartment or he went to hers?

Mrs. Carlin.

Only what Joy would tell me, and Joy was a big liar. She was known to lie about things that she had no reason to lie about. She would lie about men making passes just to make the girls ask her questions and be the center of attention, so I wouldn't say she was telling the truth when she said anything.

Mr. Hubert.

Had you ever met Jack's sister, Eva Grant?

Mrs. Carlin.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

You know of her?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You never met her?

Mrs. Carlin.

After the President's killing, I did.

Mr. Hubert.

How did you come to meet her then?

Mrs. Carlin.

She was at the club and she was having an argument with Ralph. I believe it was either Ralph or the other gray-haired guy. I don't know his name---about the club. That it was her club, she was going to run it, and Ralph was saying he was left in charge of the club, and as long as he was financing the club, she wasn't going to run it. And there was an argument between her and one of the girls about the fact that she wasn't going to work for Eva because she had tried to work for Eva and it wouldn't work.

Mr. Hubert.

Could you tell me something about the gray-haired man other than the one you identified as Ralph Paul?

Mrs. Carlin.

This was a--I don't know his name. He was in there quite a bit after the President's killing. He was in there almost every night. He was supposed to be one of Jack's closest friends or supposed to have lived with Jack.

Mr. Hubert.

That wouldn't have been Senator, would it?

Mrs. Carlin.

I don't know.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ever hear that perhaps that man was one of his brothers?

Mrs. Carlin.

No. It wasn't one of his brothers.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember anything further about him?

Mrs. Carlin.

No; I don't, because I never did talk to him but once, and that was Just about then. He was there a lot of times at the door. He took all the cover. charges after that. Either him or Ralph was taking cover charges.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he seem to be in authority?

Mrs. Carlin.

No; he didn't have authority. He thought he did, but he didn't, because Ralph would tell him to do what was done.

Mr. Hubert.

Had you ever seen him at the Carousel prior to the time that Oswald was shot?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes. Just two or three times. He was sitting down at a table next to the cashier, where the cash register was. He was sitting there with the guy that Joy Dale was going with. I don't remember his name, but it was a young boy. Tommy something.

Mr. Hubert.

That is the gray-haired man you saw sitting with a young man called Tommy?