Mr. Jackson.

Did he say he was?

Mrs. Carlin.

No; he just asked me, "Do I look like one."

Mr. Jackson.

But he never admitted to you of being one?

Mrs. Carlin.

No.

Mr. Jackson.

Or ever made any statements that indicated that he was a homosexual?

Mrs. Carlin.

Not to my knowledge.

Mr. Jackson.

What you have told us here is all that you know about his abnormality, if any?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Can you throw any light upon his character with respect to whether he had a good temper or easygoing temper or quick temper?

Mrs. Carlin.

tie was very quick tempered.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have occasion to observe that yourself?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Could you give us just one or two examples that would serve to illustrate why you have the impression that he was quick tempered.

Mrs. Carlin.

Well, the time that makes me think he was so quick tempered there was two times.
One was with Tammi True. Tammi had---Joy Dale had been out of work for about a week. She had played sick, and this was known all over the club, so Tammi True was supposed to be taking their act. And Joy Dale's act, making it hard on all of us. So Tammi went to Jack, and I was sitting in the office when she said, "Jack, I am going to be 5 minutes late for my show," and Jack said, "Okay." So she went to the back to get dressed, and I went back right after that, and he came back--the music started--he didn't tell the band like he was supposed to, so the music went ahead and started for Tammi to go on, and that upset her. And Jack came back and said, "What the blank-blank * * *"

Mr. Hubert.

Used some obscene words?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

I take it you prefer not to use it yourself?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Was it obscene?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes; and she said, "Well, I had already told you that I was going to be late and you were supposed to let the band know, and you are blaming me." And Jack said something else like, "Hurry up and get your ass dressed."

Mr. Hubert.

And there again you used an obscene term which I take it you don't care to use yourself, in reference to her?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes; and she then turned around and Jumped on him and said, "If you can let Joy Dale hold out a whole week and make all of us suffer, you can damn sure wait on me." And he said, "You are not going to con me. You may con other people, but you are not going to con me." And he stormed out of the room. So the following show she was deliberately late, and he came back and raised cane again, and he said something about he was going to fire her if she didn't straighten up, that she thought she could use him, and that is about all that was said. They kept fussing back and forth and calling each other haines.

Mr. Hubert.

I take it from that that his manifestation of temper was first in the use of obscenity, and second in a loud tone of voice?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes; screaming.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he manifest on that occasion or any occasion that he might use physical force, or did he ever as a matter of fact?

Mrs. Carlin.

No; I never saw him raise his hand to hit anybody or anything like that, although with Tammi, he did say he would throw her down the stairs if she didn't straighten up. And she said, "I don't have to leave. I have a contract." And he said, "That contract don't mean a God damn thing."

Mr. Jackson.

You don't have to use those words.

Mr. Hubert.

I think you said that that was one example. Do you have any others?

Mrs. Carlin.

With Joy Dale.

Mr. Hubert.

Could you tell us about that?