(Testimony of Karen Bennett Carlin)
Mrs. Carlin.
No; I can't think of it.
Mr. Hubert.
Her stage name was Joy Dale?
Mrs. Carlin.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
That is the one I meant. I said Tammi True, but I was mistaken myself. She had dark curly hair?
Mrs. Carlin.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
Well, now, as to that picture, can you relate the time of taking that picture to the time when you first went to work there?
Mrs. Carlin.
No; I guess it was a month after that, I know. At least, but I don't know how much longer after that.
Mr. Hubert.
You don't know whether it was summertime or----
Mrs. Carlin.
No; it was winter.
Mr. Hubert.
It was winter?
Mrs. Carlin.
Yes; it was getting cold.
Mr. Hubert.
Can you relate it--I think I have asked you this before, but perhaps your memory is fresher now. Can you relate it to the time of the death of the President?
Mrs. Carlin.
I Would say 2 or 3 weeks before the death of the President.
Mr. Hubert.
Do you remember a rather large heavy fat man, very heavily built, who used to come to the Carousel almost every weekend and used to sit close by the stage and sort of carry on a banter with the theatre?
Mrs. Carlin.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
Do you know who he is?
Mrs. Carlin.
No; about 300 pounds.
Mr. Hubert.
Yes.
Mrs. Carlin.
Used to beat on the stage and holler and scream. I don't remember--I don't know his name. I never did meet him, but I remember him.
Mr. Hubert.
Did you know George Senator?
Mrs. Carlin.
Not by name. I probably. would know his face, but I don't know his name.
Mr. Hubert.
You don't know what his relationship was to Ruby?
Mrs. Carlin.
No.
Mr. Hubert.
Then do you know--and I don't mean from your own knowledge at all, but from what you might have heard. what Jack's relationship in general with people of the opposite sex was? What his relationship with girls was?
Mrs. Carlin.
No; I would rather not answer it.
Mr. Hubert.
That is all right. Mind you, I want it clear I was not asking in relation to anything with respect to you yourself, but as to what you have heard?
Mr. Jackson.
Did he ever make any advances towards you?
Mrs. Carlin.
Yes; one time.
Mr. Jackson.
In other words, he did do that with the girls occasionally--make advances toward them?
Mrs. Carlin.
Yes.
Mr. Jackson.
Proposition them?
Mrs. Carlin.
Yes; I knew of them going with him.
Mr. Jackson.
Dating them?
Mrs. Carlin.
Yes.
Mr. Jackson.
He did date them some?
Mrs. Carlin.
Yes.
Mr. Jackson.
Did you know or had you heard anything concerning the possibility of any kind of homosexuality on the part of Jack?
Mrs. Carlin.
Yes.
Mr. Jackson.
Is that just a rumor running out there, or what?
Mrs. Carlin.
That was from his mouth. He was always asking the question, "Do you think I am a queer? Do you think I look like a queer? Or have you ever known a queer to look like me?" Everytime I saw him he would ask it.
Mr. Jackson.
Do you mean he would bring up the subject himself?
Mrs. Carlin.
Yes; he would say, "Do you think I look like one or act like one?"
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