Mrs. Carlin.

Western Union." And he asked me what name to send it in, and I told him, "Karen Bennett."

Mr. Hubert.

Was it arranged to be sent to your home or what?

Mrs. Carlin.

No; to Western Union downtown.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he tell you about what time to expect it?

Mrs. Carlin.

No. I asked him what time, about how long, and he didn't say.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean he didn't say anything, or he said he didn't know?

Mrs. Carlin.

He said, "Well," he did say it would take a little while to get dressed and something about the dog, I don't remember what it was. And he said, "I'll go on down and send it to you." And I said, "I sure would appreciate it." And that is about all there was.

Mr. Hubert.

Now was your rent in fact due?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Had your landlord been pressing you for the rent?

Mrs. Carlin.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Ruby seem to be annoyed that you were asking for money on Sunday?

Mrs. Carlin.

No; he not that Sunday, he didn't seem to be annoyed.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you think that there was a difference in his attitude toward the money that you asked for on Sunday as opposed to the money you asked for the night before?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes. He still seemed upset, you know, or hateful, short, but he didn't seem as much as he was Saturday night.

Mr. Hubert.

He definitely indicated to you that he would have to dress, is that correct?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes. He said, "It will take me about 20 or 30 minutes to get dressed, and then I will go on down." And something that he had to do with the dogs' freedom, I think.

Mr. Jackson.

About the dogs?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes. He had some dogs. Kept them in the club.

Mr. Hubert.

Now when did you first hear about Oswald's shooting?

Mrs. Carlin.

Well, I heard that right after I talked to Jack. It wasn't very long after that on the television, and my husband was watching the television and I was washing dishes, and my husband said, "Karen, isn't that Jack?" And I said, I thought he was joking. I told him to shut up and I started laughing, and sure enough it came out that it was Jack.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean you saw pictures of Jack Ruby?

Mrs. Carlin.

After that on the news.

Mr. Hubert.

Rerun, you mean?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You are talking about that famous picture that shows Jack coming through?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

It shows really the back of him, doesn't it?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you able to recognize him?

Mrs. Carlin.

They knew his name. They had already broadcast his name.

Mr. Hubert.

So that when you saw, you recognized him? You mean you recognized his name before you saw any picture?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes. My husband was the one that first saw him. I didn't see it. It was a rerun, I think, that I saw, because they already had his name and that he had the Carousel Club.

Mr. Hubert.

This was prior to the time you went to Western Union?

Mrs. Carlin.

No; I had not gone down to Western Union.

Mr. Hubert.

This was prior?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you do about the money at Western Union?

Mrs. Carlin.

After I saw the thing on television, I said I bet Jack didn't send the money, so my husband dialed the number and he asked if they had a money order for me, and they said, "Yes."