Mr. Hubert.

You mean dialed the number to the Western Union?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes. And he said, "Yes, they did." Then my-husband and I got dressed and after we ate, we got dressed and went down and picked it up.

Mr. Hubert.

Well.

Mr. Jackson.

About what time was this call made, do you remember?

Mrs. Carlin.

No.

Mr. Jackson.

Could it have been in the afternoon?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes. It probably was in the afternoon, because after I talked to Jack, we ate and washed dishes, and I cleaned up the house, and it took me a while to get dressed.

Mr. Hubert.

Then you all went down to Western Union?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You signed the necessary papers?

Mrs. Carlin.

We had to take a bus down, so that took quite a while, too. I don't remember what time it was.

Mr. Hubert.

Was the money paid to the landlord, do you know?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes; we paid the rent.

Mr. Hubert.

That same day?

Mrs. Carlin.

I don't remember if it was the same day or not.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, did you keep the money, or did you give it to your husband?

Mrs. Carlin.

I gave it to my husband. We didn't have enough money to get back on the bus, so we had to take some of it and go back on the bus.

Mr. Hubert.

I don't follow you.

Mrs. Carlin.

We rode a bus downtown, and we had enough money to get downtown, but not enough to get back.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have to use part of the $25 to get back, but you gave the difference to him?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Had your landlord been pressing you for the money?

Mrs. Carlin.

No. It wasn't just the rent. It was groceries, too, because my husband wasn't working at the time.

Mr. Hubert.

You had not known Jack Ruby, I take it, prior to the time you first went to work for him?

Mrs. Carlin.

No. I had seen Jack Ruby one other time before that, but I didn't know who he was.
My girl friend and I, a stripper, at the Theatre Lounge, w.as walking to the bus stop at the Greyhound bus station to get something to eat during our hour break, and we were walking, and this big Cadillac drove up and tooted the horn and my girl friend smiled and it turned out to be Jack Ruby after I met him. I knew who it was. But he left a card on the sidewalk in front of us saying the Carousel Club.

Mr. Hubert.

How long before you went to work for him, then, did that episode take place?

Mrs. Carlin.

This was about 2 weeks before, because I went home and told my husband about it.

Mr. Hubert.

He was driving a Cadillac?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes. There was three of them in the car, two men and one woman. I never did see the man or woman, didn't recognize them.

Mr. Hubert.

Who was driving?

Mrs. Carlin.

It was Jack. It turned out to be Jack. I asked him if he was the one that was driving the car and threw the card on the sidewalk, and he said, "Yes, I was."

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ever find out who the other people were in the car?

Mrs. Carlin.

No; I never did ask him.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you find out subsequently what kind of car Jack drove?

Mrs. Carlin.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

This was definitely a Cadillac?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes. It could have been the other person's car he was driving.

Mr. Hubert.

There was one man?

Mrs. Carlin.

There was two men.

Mr. Hubert.

Two men besides Jack?