Mr. Servance.

sets of those. You have two in the building, and one that comes on the outside on the Commerce Street side. Is that the one you are speaking of?

Mr. Hubert.

No; I am thinking of the one in the main lobby.

Mr. Servance.

Well, in the main lobbY, if you are in the main lobby you can through the door, go in the door, down from the staircase, on down in the basement and go out, but you couldn't come in.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, let me put it to you----

Mr. Servance.

Yes; you can come in. You can go out or come in. See, those doors are not locked up there.

Mr. Hubert.

That's what I thought. You said that door is locked on weekends, but you wish to correct that now?

Mr. Servance.

Yes, sir; here's what I was speaking of, now, when you get in the basement, when you go down to the basement those doors are looked as far as coming in.

Mr. Hubert.

From the basement?

Mr. Servance.

From the basement, that's right. In other words, if you are in the basement you cannot use that fire escape door to get into that staircase; that's right, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

But, if you are in the staircase you can get into the basement. Now, the doors to the main floor of the municipal building leading to the staircase that we are talking about, are not closed, they are not locked, are they?

Mr. Servance.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, I think a little earlier you testified that they were locked and the only way you can use them would be coming from the staircase into the first floor of the municipal building, and I want to get it straight as to whether or not you can use the opposite direction or, go from the first floor of the municipal building into the staircase----

Mr. Servance.

Wait a minute. Now, let's see here----try to correct it best I can. Let's say I am out there in that corridor there, and we'll say--we'll just assume that that is the corridor there in the city hall.

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Servance.

All right.

Mr. Hubert.

All right, now----

Mr. Servance.

And assume that the room we are in is the staircase room. All right, anywhere you are on the first floor, or any of those floors you can always go into those staircases, fire escapes, none of those are not locked.

Mr. Hubert.

Except the basement?

Mr. Servance.

Except the basement where you come out, that's fight. None of them are not locked, I am sorry, I got confused there.

Mr. Hubert.

I think that is right. You can go from the corridor into the staircase on the first floor, because these doors do not lock?

Mr. Servance.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, once you get into the staircase on the first floor you can go down into the basement and go through the basement door into the basement, but you couldn't come through the door from the basement because it is locked?

Mr. Servance.

Yes, sir; on the weekends; yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

I think that is straight now. You said there was another fire-escape door?

Mr. Servance.

One more.

Mr. Hubert.

Where is that?

Mr. Servance.

That is the one where we were standing there, when--one comes out of the building through the entrance right there.

Mr. Hubert.

Leads----

Mr. Servance.

On the Commerce side.

Mr. Hubert.

Leads to the fire-escape stairway?

Mr. Servance.

Well, it is a fire-escape stairway.

Mr. Hubert.

And it operates exactly on--like the other one we are talking about?
'Mr. SERVANCE. And it ends there on the first floor.

Mr. Hubert.

Doesn't go down into the basement?