Mr. Servance.

Doesn't go down into the basement.

Mr. Hubert.

1 see. So, that if you were on the first floor of the municipal building that staircase that we are talking about on the Commerce Street side does not lead you to the basement?

Mr. Servance.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

The one we are talking about before is on the Main Street side of the elevator?

Mr. Servance.

Yes, sir; you see, you got to--you go in front of the hall, and you have got a cross corridor there.

Mr. Hubert.

Two corridors that cross each other?

Mr. Servance.

Yes, sir; and on each corridor there is a door comes from--winds around and so it comes down.

Mr. Hubert.

But, only one of them goes to the basement?

Mr. Servance.

Only one goes to the basement.

Mr. Hubert.

The only one that goes to the basement is the one we are talking about?

Mr. Servance.

That's right, only one, that's right.

Mr. Hubert.

The other fire escape stops at the first floor?

Mr. Servance.

Stops at the main floor and do not go down into the basement.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, all right, I think that it is clear. Now, has there been any conferences between you, Mr. Servance, and any member of the President's Commission prior to this deposition?

Mr. Servance.

No, sir ; nobody.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you consider that between this document number 5131 which you identified and your deposition that we have the whole story about everything you now know about this matter?

Mr. Servance.

That's right, best of my knowledge.

Mr. Hubert.

All right. Thank you.

-------------
A. M. Eberhardt

Testimony of A. M. Eberhardt

The testimony of A. M. Eberhardt was taken at 2:40 p.m., on March 25, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Burt W. Griffin, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me state for the record, and also for your advice and information, my name is Butt Griffin and I am a member of the advisory staff of the General Counsel's office of the President's Commission investigating the assassination of President Kennedy. This Commission has been set up by virtue of an Executive order of the President of the United States and a congressional resolution. The Executive order is Order No. 11130, which was issued on November 29, 1963, and the congressional resolution is Resolution No. 137. As a result of these two official acts, the Commission has promulgated a set of rules to conduct the proceedings, and in conformance with those rules and the the Executive order and the congressional resolution, I have been designated to take a sworn deposition from you, Detective Eberhardt.
Now, the general area of the investigation of the Commission is to ascertain, evaluate and report back to President Johnson on the facts relating to the assassination of President Kennedy and the later murder of Lee Oswald. In particular as to you, we are concerned about the events that led up to the death of Lee Oswald and most particularly about Jack Ruby, but we are concerned about anything else that you might have to offer the Commission that you think is pertinent. The Commission is not an investigatory agency in the sense that a grand Jury is.
We don't have any authority to prosecute for any crimes. The only crime that could be committed in connection with this investigation that we can do anything about is perjury, and our primary concern in this matter is frankly one of national security and not prevention of crime. The most obvious thing