Mr. Mckinzie.

is where they got stopped at. At the police department, they got cutoff down there.

Mr. Hubert.

They were in the municipal building?

Mr. Mckinzie.

Yes; they was in the municipal building.

Mr. Hubert.

And that was after you had been told not to bring anybody down?

Mr. Mckinzie.

Yes, sir; I saw them.

Mr. Hubert.

You saw them after that?

Mr. Mckinzie.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

Therefore, the only way they could get down or out of that building was in one of the methods we have talked about.

Mr. Mckinzie.

Yes, sir; that's right.

Mr. Hubert.

On out the Main Street door, going out the Commerce Street door, going through the corridor that goes to the jail.

Mr. Mckinzie.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Or going down the steps?

Mr. Mckinzie.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

Or going to the elevator and into the alleyway?

Mr. Mckinzie.

That's right. One of the two.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, do you know how they got out?

Mr. Mckinzie.

No, sir; I don't.

Mr. Hubert.

Are you willing to state that they did not get out through the elevator at all?

Mr. Mckinzie.

I can't figure how they could unless one of them had a key, and I don't think one of them had a key, because I had the key myself and when I turned it off I took it with me.

Mr. Hubert.

Nobody asked you to take them down?

Mr. Mckinzie.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Or to open the back door?

Mr. Mckinzie.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Is it possible that the back doors of the elevator were open when you had the elevator cut off?

Mr. Mckinzie.

I don't think so. It could have been a button might have flew open, but I think when I cut it off, when you mash your button, why, don't open until you turn your switch.

Mr. Hubert.

You didn't leave the back door open?

Mr. Mckinzie.

No; I left it closed.

Mr. Hubert.

Sir, if somebody had to open it----

Mr. Mckinzie.

It would have been open when I went back to it. It wouldn't close.

Mr. Hubert.

It wouldn't automatically close?

Mr. Mckinzie.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

No way to make it close from the outside?

Mr. Mckinzie.

No, sir; when you've got it cut off. When it is on automatic when you cut it off if you leave your doors open they stay open. If you close them up they stay close.

Mr. Hubert.

And you say they were closed?

Mr. Mckinzie.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

So, even pushing the button wouldn't have opened the back door?

Mr. Mckinzie.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

The key to the back door of the building that goes out to the alleyway, was it left in the elevator when you left the elevator?

Mr. Mckinzie.

I hang the keys on a ring and hang them up on the wall.

Mr. Hubert.

Those keys Were there?

Mr. Mckinzie.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

So if they had managed to get the elevator door open, they could have used that key to get the back door leading onto the alley open?

Mr. Mckinzie.

Oh, yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

But, you didn't see anything like that?

Mr. Mckinzie.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

You didn't see. them go out Main Street?

Mr. Mckinzie.

No, sir. Now, which way they went out of that, I really do