Mr. Mckinzie.

Up to the fifth floor. Outside of that after I got her it was a telephone man came in just as they left--gave me those orders, but they give me orders to carry him to the fifth floor and bring him right back, and he was the last passenger that I carried all the way from the basement to the fifth floor after I got orders to cut the elevator off, to the fifth floor, he went up there and right back.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see anybody open up either the Commerce Street entrance or the Main Street entrance and go out?

Mr. Mckinzie.

Nobody. I say, the engineerman had a key, and him and a bunch of them stood in the Commerce side at the door.

Mr. Hubert.

He opened the door?

Mr. Mckinzie.

He opened it one time, but now what I can understand--I don't know, I think they had three policemen at that door, and they wouldn't let him come out.

Mr. Hubert.

That is on the municipal building, first floor, Commerce Street?

Mr. Mckinzie.

Commerce Street.

Mr. Hubert.

And they wouldn't let him out?

Mr. Mckinzie.

No, sir; give him orders they couldn't let him out. Opened the first door, and walked out into the lobby, you know, got a little lobby. This is as far as they got, that lobby there.

Mr. Hubert.

What about the Main Street entrance?

Mr. Mckinzie.

Nobody went to Main Street. Nobody went to that door.

Mr. Hubert.

Who had the key to those doors?

Mr. Mckinzie.

Mr. Pierce, the engineer.

Mr. Hubert.

He is the engineer?

Mr. Mckinzie.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Where what is his first name, do you know?

Mr. Mckinzie.

I really don't know his first name, but he was on duty that Saturday.

Mr. Hubert.

He is the engineer?

Mr. Mckinzie.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

He works in the basement?

Mr. Mckinzie.

Yes; subbasement.

Mr. Hubert.

Subbasement. That's where all the engineering equipment and air conditioning is located?

Mr. Mckinzie.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Is he the only one who has the keys?

Mr. Mckinzie.

No, sir; I don't know how many engineermen they have down there, but I understand every one of them has keys. Every one.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have a key?

Mr. Mckinzie.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

The keys you had were to the elevator and to the back door facing on the alley, is that right?

Mr. Mckinzie.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you use any kind of a sign-in and sign-out system?

Mr. Mckinzie.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you do so that day when you let the porters out?

Mr. Mckinzie.

The porters don't sign.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, they

Mr. Mckinzie.

No, sir; the porters don't sign.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, what would you say if I'd tell you that both Alfreadia Riggs and Henry--I think it is Harold Fuqua say they did go out of the building?

Mr. Mckinzie.

Well----

Mr. Hubert.

Riggs says he went out through the back door, through the back elevator door and through the door and he walked on down Main Street and Fuqua says he went out the Main Street entrance.

Mr. Mckinzie.

During the time that I had it cut off?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Mckinzie.

Well, now, it was they went out of that building, I understand, but now, they didn't go out the elevator. What I understand, they went through the building somewhere and went down in the police department, because that