Mr. Mckinzie.

not know, but I do learn--I heard them say, myself, they believed they would go down to the police department and watch television.

Mr. Hubert.

How would they get to the police department from the main floor of the municipal building?

Mr. Mckenzie.

They would have had, at least, to went out Commerce Street and went down and gone down into the basement, or either--or they would have had to went through the screen door, the door between the two swinging, so, they had to go one of two ways. The only way to go to the police department from the municipal building into the police department. After they got in that alley, they had to go right down in the stairways, as I understand is where they was, they went downstairs, they had to go out through a gate if they went downstairs, and they stopped them over in the police department before they even got over to the televisions. That is where they were stopped at.

Mr. Hubert.

Your thought is that they used the staircase, the fire stairs?

Mr. Mckinzie.

No, sir; I think they must have used the door between the two buildings.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean that door that has got two metal doors like an accordian?

Mr. Mckinzie.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did they have a key to that?

Mr. Mckinzie.

I don't know whether Riggs had keys or not. He is a truck-driver. He might have keys of his own. He works daytime and I work nights. I don't know too much about it. I don't know too much about it, but I know he drives a truck and porter work, and those head boys, some of them has keys.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you know this man called Jack Ruby?

Mr. Mckinzie.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Never met him before in your life?

Mr. Mckinzie.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Of course, you have seen pictures of him?

Mr. Mckinzie.

Yes, sir; that's all.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he come in there that day?

Mr. Mckinzie.

I don't know. I didn't see him if he did and I don't think he did. I really don't.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, you are swearing that you didn't see him come in?

Mr. Mckenzie.

That's right; that's right.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, since all this happened you must have stopped to think to yourself, "Well, did that man come in through where I was supposed to be?"

Mr. Mckinzie.

Oh, yes, sir. I have thought of it, but I know he didn't.

Mr. Hubert.

That is what I want to find out. You have put your mind to it and you have thought about it a great deal----

Mr. Mckinzie.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And you are prepared to tell us under oath now, Louis, that this man did not come through, so far as you know, you didn't see him?

Mr. Mckinzie.

That's right. That's right. He come in there some other way. He didn't come through that elevator.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you anything else you want to say, Louis, that might help the President's Commission in finding out the truth about this thing?

Mr. Mckinzie.

Well, I don't---other words about it, I just don't know anything I could say.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, we certainly don't want you to invent anything. On the other hand, we want you to feel free to say anything that is the truth.

Mr. Mckinzie.

Yes, sir; that's right.

Mr. Hubert.

Because this is an important thing.

Mr. Mckinzie.

Sure. I realize that.

Mr. Hubert.

Nobody blames you, or anybody. On the other hand, if we could find out the truth it would help us to protect other people and other Presidents in the future.

Mr. Mckinzie.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And you have given thought to all that, and you are saying that what you are-telling us is the truth?

Mr. Mckinzie.

That's right.