Mr. Turner.

No, he had no badge on. He was wearing a light trenchcoat or topcoat.

Mr. Hubert.

What height was he?

Mr. Turner.

He was approximately 5 feet 8 inches.

Mr. Hubert.

What would you guess his weight to be?

Mr. Turner.

Oh, only around 130 to 140 pounds. Very light in weight; very skinny.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ever see the clothing he had under the trenchcoat?

Mr. Turner.

No; as far as I know, I never saw him without the trenchcoat on, the whole time.

Mr. Hubert.

All right; go ahead.

Mr. Turner.

He---- We went to the cafe down the block to grab a bite to eat at this time, waiting on the truck, and the truck arrived while we were eating, and when we got back there he was still standing there talking, and a Mexican gentleman had come out, had been drinking too heavy, and made some comment about that, just a general line of talk.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he ever mention his name?

Mr. Turner.

He never mentioned his name.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you hear anyone else talk to him?

Mr. Turner.

As long as I was over there the only ones I saw talk to him was the man, Dave Timmons, with our crew, which was up there at the time, and Richard Bice, he was there, which was with the crew, and that is the only ones I ever saw him talk to.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ever see him talk to any policemen?

Mr. Turner.

Never did, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

All right.

Mr. Turner.

He continually, after they got set up, he kept coming up in the hallway.

Mr. Hubert.

That is on the third floor?

Mr. Turner.

On the third floor, sir. This is while we were still up on the third floor, and waiting to get shots of Oswald being transferred from the elevator door to the questioning room, and he would continually come up and give say, "They are going to bring him down in about 5 minutes." And he usually was right, on each one of the tips he gave us. He mingled around in the press room up on the third floor a lot. He I told Tom Pettit, which was the announcer up on the floor, that Oswald was coming down, and he said, "Where are you learning the information?"

Mr. Hubert.

You asked this of this man?

Mr. Turner.

Well, no; I didn't ever ask him where he was learning his information, but I told--Tom Pettit asked me where I was getting this information, and I said, "Well, that man back over there," and I pointed him out and he said, "Who is he?" And I said, "I don't know who he is, but he is giving us some pretty good tips." And he said, "Okay, keep using him, then." From
that point on, we saw him various times the whole, completely on the third.

Mr. Hubert.

How many times do you think you saw him?

Mr. Turner.

Oh, any number of times, 15 or 20. Just pass him in the hall.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he seem to have free movement?

Mr. Turner.

That's right. He had free movement on that floor. He had free movement in the basement. That was the only two floors we actually ever did see him, but he, was on those floors, back to the press room, talking to the other reporters.

Mr. Hubert.

All right, go ahead.

Mr. Turner.

And, he and then Sunday morning we came over. I ran into him in the restroom, and he seemed to just live there in the jail.

Mr. Hubert.

Still had that trenchcoat?

Mr. Turner.

And still carrying the little bag, same little bag.

Mr. Hubert.

Did it seem to be a camera bag?

Mr. Turner.

No; they were not camera bags. One little, thin portfolio, and I took the assumption he was selling, insurance, from just looking at the little something like an insuranceman might show to a customer, but that could be entirely wrong.