Mr. Hubert.

Were there any other cameras?

Mr. Turner.

There was only two live television cameras in the basement at that time.

Mr. Hubert.

All right. Now, go ahead.

Mr. Turner.

Approximately 10 minutes--very vague on time when the tivity had been completed on the third floor of the jail, we broke a No. "2" camera down, which I will number "6," entering the door. It came down the elevator. It was completely on the tripod.

Mr. Hubert.

It came down over here? Not the jail elevator?

Mr. Turner.

Not the jail elevator, we never had access to that room, the jail office here. It came down, and as it was entering the two double doors I left my camera in position, which is box "4," it came over the rails. Let me number this up too. "6" would be our camera coming from the third floor. I immediately left my camera position when I saw them entering, to help get the camera down, and relieve one of the boys which could--which he could go up and get the camera cables to connect his camera up to make it live.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, when that camera became when that camera began to come through the swinging door in the jail corridor, how many men were pushing it?

Mr. Turner.

Two men.

Mr. Hubert.

Who were they?

Mr. Turner.

Dave Timmons and John Tankersley.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have to go over and assist them?

Mr. Turner.

After they had come from the door, I ran off my--ran off from my position of "4," to position "6," after they came to the door, and helped them to move the camera to where we are putting----

Mr. Hubert.

Before you do that----

Mr. Turner.

Okay.

Mr. Hubert.

Where were you in relation to Tankersley and Timmons?

Mr. Turner.

You mean in pushing the camera?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Turner.

I came, as you look toward the camera, I came up to the left side of it.

Mr. Hubert.

Who was in the middle? You were on one end?

Mr. Turner.

I'm not sure. I think Mr. Tankersley was.

Mr. Hubert.

And then Timmons?

Mr. Turner.

Timmons was on the other side. Usually the cameraman who is doing the camera work has hold of the center of the camera and whoever helps him will help on the side of the dolly.

Mr. Hubert.

So, you are the third man then on that camera?

Mr. Turner.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

All right. Now, go ahead.

Mr. Turner.

All right. We moved from position No. "6" here, which I have labeled "6", down to where I have now labeled "7".

Mr. Hubert.

You are making a box there?

Mr. Turner.

Box. Right. Box for "7".

Mr. Hubert.

Did that camera ever get into operation?

Mr. Turner.

No, it never did, sir; because by the time we got it to "7", they had completely blocked the doors. I think someone said that it was--they were bringing him down and that we couldn't leave it out there at that point or something. This is very vague.

Mr. Hubert.

But, in any case, the thing never got in operation?

Mr. Turner.

Never.

Mr. Hubert.

The second camera never got in operation?

Mr. Turner.

That's right. The second camera hadn't gotten into operation. I then--when I found out they couldn't go back I returned to my position, which is on box "4", and Mr. Tom Pettit of NBC was at circle number "7", which was our newsman from NBC. He was hollering to me, "Tell them in New York to give it to me."

Mr. Hubert.

That is to say that you would go live on the national?

Mr. Turner.

That's right. We'd go live on the national network. So, I was talking on the direct line to him. The police car left out sometime in that