Mr. Hubert.

we were speaking, then I was somewhere just south of this point marked "B" on the driveway when Chief Stevenson approached me and said, "There has been a change in plan. We are going to put two cars on the driveway and use them." Now, sometime in between there, and I can't tell you the exact time I am aware of a blur of a car going out the wrong way. I didn't see who was in it, and I didn't take too much awareness of it. I don't know just when it was.

Mr. Hubert.

When you say, "going the wrong way "
Captain JONES. I mean it came out of the basement area and headed up toward Main Street which ordinarily is the down ramp and you go out the ramp going up Commerce Street. There was a car out there, and in light of the investigation I know the circumstances now, but at that time I couldn't tell you about that one which did go out. Chief Stevenson said---came to me just before or after the car pulled out and said--said there was a change in plans, "We are going to put two cars in the driveway and transfer him in a car." Almost immediately some cars started up back in this area [indicating].

Mr. Hubert.

When you say "this area," that is the basement?
Captain JONES. All right, the parking area of the basement, east of the driveway, and I am very sure one car that I saw pull up and go up the Commerce Street ramp from a ways, and I think I am aware of a second car pulling up behind. Now, the second car was having a little difficulty backing down into position to where it would--where it should go, so that when I stepped forward and became aware of quite a mass of people, I couldn't tell you how many in this area "B".

Mr. Hubert.

And You were standing in the west side of the area ?
Captain JONES. Yes, sir; the west side of area B, but the east side of the ramp. I was somewhere in there, and I attempted to push the people back, and I'm afraid I may have delayed the driver by pushing these people back, but along about that time someone shouts, "Here he comes."

Mr. Hubert.

Would you just make a little circle as to where approximately you were?
Captain JONES. I think--I think--I think I was somewhere right in this area here [indicating].

Mr. Hubert.

Just put a circle.
Captain JONES. Well, I don't know. That is as close as I can put it.

Mr. Hubert.

You have drawn a circle, and I'm just going to put here, as you said, that it was somewhere around in here, around in the circle that you have drawn and I am marking that "approximate position of Capt. O. A. Jones

at the time that Jones heard someone say 'Here he comes,'" is that correct, sir?
Captain JONES. Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, actually, there was an automobile, as you say, backing up towards east, right?
Captain JONES. Well-

Mr. Hubert.

But when they begin--
Captain JONES. It would have been backing north attempting to back north.

Mr. Hubert.

Backing north, but with the front of the car facing south?
Captain JONES. Now then; from here is something that was a mystery to me for 2 weeks--

Mr. Hubert.

You didn't answer the question.
Captain JONES. That's true. In the basement area, onto the ramp, heading out towards Commerce, and attempting to back toward north.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, did you say there was something else?
Captain JONES. The police vehicle car is ahead of me a lithe bit.

Mr. Hubert.

It is what?
Captain JONES. Ahead of me, backing toward it, and I am probably in the way, and when they shout, "Here he comes," and the line up ahead of me . up toward the Commerce Street ramp, and I know of some officers, Chief Stevenson and Chief Batchelor, uniformed men up at the ramp, but I'm not sure about Captain Talbert I'm sure, I believe he is ahead of me. Quite a few officers, however, someone yells, "Here he comes," there is a big furor, so then as I turned and looked back into this area "B", there are some people in there which--hands out, looking them, completely. I am looking east.