Mr. Griffin.

Now, between the time that you left the jail office

Mr. Dean.

All right.

Mr. Griffin.

And you went into the basement area and had the TV interview and then went up to the third floor, did you talk with any of the police officers who had been down there in the basement area ?

Mr. Dean.

No, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

While you were in the Jail office, before you came out, did you talk to any of the officers who were there, who were in the jail office; did you talk with them?

Mr. Dean.

No, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, why were you going up to the third floor?

Mr. Dean.

I was going to Captain Fritz' office.

Mr. Griffin.

And what were you going to do up there?

Mr. Dean.

I was just going to see if Jack Ruby was in Captain Fritz' office, or whether he was taken immediately to the jail. I didn't know where he was taken to.

Mr. Griffin.

Why did you want to go up to see Jack Ruby?

Mr. Dean.

To see if they were this was in my mind, to see if they were going to go ahead and identify him, because I knew other pressmen and other people were going to be asking me, since I had this interview, and see if--did he want me to go ahead and identify him or do what I did in the initial interview, say that this information will have to come from Captain Fritz' office. It really wasn't significant. I knew that I would be talked to at later times all during the day and pressed for the identity of this man, and I wanted to ask them there did they want us to release it or want them to keep it and release it themselves.

Mr. Griffin.

You had already told the newsmen?

Mr. Dean.

Yes, sir. I had already told the newsmen this. I .didn't identify the man.

Mr. Griffin.

You had already told the newsmen that the man who shot Oswald was Ruby?

Mr. Dean.

No, sir. I didn't. I didn't identify the man. They asked me did recognize this man. I said "Yes." And they asked me could I tell them who he was, and-I said I had rather not, and I did not identify him as Ruby. I identified him as a businessman in the city of Dallas, but I did tell them that I recognized the man by sight.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, when you got up on the third floor, where did you see Chief Curry?

Mr. Dean.

Just as I got off of the elevator.

Mr. Griffin.

And did you ask him to discuss this problem with you?

Mr. Dean.

No, sir. He immediately introduced--said, "This is Mr. Forrest V. Sorrels, head of the Secret Service in Dallas, and take my keys and take him to the fifth floor to interview Ruby."

Mr. Griffin.

You got up to the fifth floor, who was with Ruby ?

Mr. Dean.

Detective Archer, D. R. Archer, Detective T. D. McMillon and Detective B. S. Clardy is the three, and that's the only three I can recall standing there. I think that was all that was with him.

Mr. Griffin.

Was there a jailer there?

Mr. Dean.

Not standing there necessarily by him. There, of course, are jailers all over the floor, and you know, there were not particularly around him though. The only ones I can recall standing close to Ruby was those three detectives.

Mr. Griffin.

What state of dress or undress was Ruby in at that time?

Mr. Dean.

He was stripped to his shorts.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, what did you do when you got up there?

Mr. Dean.

I walked immediately to him. I heard--well, immediately I told him, I said, "This is Mr. Forrest V. Sorrels"-- started the introduction, and Ruby stopped me and he said, "I know who he is. He is with the FBI." Mr. Sorrels then informed him. He said, "No. I am not with the FBI. I am with the Secret Service." And then he again told him, "I want you to know that I am not with the FBI. I am with the Secret Service." And so Ruby said