Mr. Griffin.

I understand why you want to, but-

Mr. Dean.

All right.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you hear, between the time that you saw Ruby move toward Oswald and the time that you reached him, did you hear anything said?

Mr. Dean.

No, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, what did you do when you reached Ruby ?

Mr. Dean.

Well, I ran to assist, whatever I could do, or assist the officers, not knowing exactly what had happened---or I knew that there had been a shooting. However, they had enough men that were subduing him, and I asked the question, when they had him on the floor inside the jail office, "Who in the world is it?" And--

Mr. Griffin.

Couldn't you tell by looking at him?

Mr. Dean.

No; at the time I couldn't see him because there were so many over him. And they were well, his face was hidden from me by the amount of officers that were around him. I said, "Who in the world is it?" And evidently I was talking loud over all the other voices, and evidently Ruby heard me and said, "I am Jack Ruby. You all know me."

Mr. Griffin.

And how long did you remain with Jack Ruby there in the jail office?

Mr. Dean.

I immediately walked around to where Oswald was laying.

Mr. Griffin.

And how long did you remain there where Oswald was ?

Mr. Dean.

Oh, maybe less than a minute. I saw that the doctor--there was an emergency doctor working on him.

Mr. Griffin.

Where did you go from there?

Mr. Dean.

I went back out to the basement, out to where the shooting happened.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you do out there?

Mr. Dean.

I was trying to keep all the people in. I heard Captain Talbert say, "Don't let anyone out." And I was echoing his instructions to the men on the ramp, to not let anyone in or out, no one.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, did there come a time while you were down there in the basement that you were interviewed by TV men?

Mr. Dean.

Yes, sir; that was after I had--just some few minutes, I don't know, that several newsmen had--or did interview me, yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember which TV station that was ?

Mr. Dean.

Tom Pettit is with NBC, I believe. I did know one of the local men, Bob Huffaker. He is with KRLD-TV. But there were several. I don't know

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Now, there was also a time, undoubtedly, that you were interviewed, or somebody quoted you in the newspapers, and there was a great to-do about this, as I understand, in the police department. Somebody claimed-

Mr. Dean.

Misquoted me, yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, was that at this particular TV interview; was that when you made the statement?

Mr. Dean.

The newspaper article that appeared, the news or the writer of that story told me that he wrote that story from my initial interview that was given shortly after the shooting, yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, do you recall talking with that man down there?

Mr. Dean.

The man that wrote the

Mr. Griffin.

Yea.

Mr. Dean.

No, sir. I wouldn't know him by sight now.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall ever seeing that man ?

Mr. Dean.

No, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, after you had this TV interview, what did you do?

Mr. Dean.

I went to the third floor.

Mr. Griffin.

And where did you go on the third floor?

Mr. Dean.

Just as I got off of the elevator Chief Curry approached me, along with another man. He introduced him very quickly as Forrest V. Sorrels, with the Secret Service, or head of the Secret Service here in Dallas, gave me his keys to the outer door that has--or access to the jail elevator, told me to take Mr. Sorrels to the fifth floor to talk to Ruby.