Mr. Dean.

something to the effect, "Well, I knew that you were working for the Government."

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember Ruby making any remark to Sorrels to the effect, "Are you with the newspapermen"?

Mr. Dean.

Yes, sir. I recall most all of that conversation.

Mr. Griffin.

Tell us what that conversation was.

Mr. Dean.

After Sorrels had identified himself as a Secret Service man, he said, "I want to ask you some questions." And then Ruby asked him, "Is this for the magazines or press?" And he said, "No. It's for my information, as an agent." And he said, "Okay. I will answer all your questions."

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember any discussion with him, anything Sorrels said about his acquaintanceship in the Jewish community?

Mr. Dean.

Sorrels asked him first, I believe

Mr. Griffin.

No. I am not making myself clear. I am sorry. Did Sorrels say anything to Ruby about Sorrels' acquaintanceship among the Jewish merchants, that you recall?

Mr. Dean.

No. I don't--seems like he said something, that he had--that he knew some Jewish--I don't recall exactly what, but relative to what you are asking, he did say something about he was acquainted with some person that was a Jew, something to that effect.

Mr. Griffin.

Are you acquainted with the name of a guy named Honest Joe?

Mr. Dean.

Right. Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Tell us what you remember about that.

Mr. Dean.

Well, he said, "Well, I know Honest Joe or"----In other words, the only thing that I got out of that was that he knew Honest Joe. This wasn't relative to what I wanted to find out from Ruby, and I just disregarded this from my mind.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, did this take place inside the jail cell?

Mr. Dean.

No, sir. He was in the hallway or the corridor outside a jail cell. He hadn't been placed in a cell.

Mr. Griffin.

And were Archer, Clardy, and McMillon ground during this conversation ?

Mr. Dean.

Yes, sir. I think they stood there.

Mr. Griffin.

And how long would you say that Sorrels talked with Ruby?

Mr. Dean.

Oh, 10 minutes.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, do you remember anything that Sorrels learned from Ruby ?

Mr. Dean.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you tell us what that was?

Mr. Dean.

Yes. He asked him what possessed him to do it. Of course, I have testified to all this in court. And he said that he was---had been despondent over the assassination of the President, also Officer Tippit, and that he was a very emotional man, and that out of grief for both these people, was one of the motivations, and that he couldn't see any reason for a long and lengthy trial, even though he believed in due process of law.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he talk with Sorrels at all at that time about how he got into the basement?

Mr. Dean.

No, sir. I asked him--Sorrels didn't ask any questions relative to that. I did.

Mr. Griffin.

How long after Sorrels finished talking with Ruby did you ask that question?

Mr. Dean.

Immediately. After Mr. Sorrels said, "Okay. Thank you." And I don't recall whether Mr. Sorrels stayed there or whether he walked off.

Mr. Griffin.

Who else was present when you asked Ruby that question?

Mr. Dean.

I think McMillon and them were still there. I just really didn't--I knew that I wasn't by myself with him. I knew that there was someone there and I believe it was McMillon and Archer that had stayed there. I am not

Mr. Griffin.

What else did you talk with Ruby about, after Sorrels finished talking to him?

Mr. Dean.

After Sorrels finished, I said, "Ruby, I want to ask you a couple of questions myself." And he said, "All right." I said, "How did you get in the