Mr. Griffin.

of that? If you send them over to us tomorrow, I would appreciate that very much.

Mr. Dean.

Tomorrow?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes; and we don't need the originals if you want to--

Mr. Dean.

No; you can have them.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Now, what did you do after you saw Pierce's car go up the ramp ?

Mr. Dean.

I stood at the rear of the armored car and watched--my attention was focused to this point here, to the exit from the jail office, or the corridor here. I noticed that these two plain cars had pulled up behind, or in my same direction, and I assumed that these two cars would be loaded with officers that would follow the armored car. However, they hadn't loaded. They were pulling into position here and had gotten into position when all the confusion started [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

Let me interrupt your train of thought here. In looking at this map, it occurs to me that we don't have Nelson marked on this map [indicating].

Mr. Dean.

Nelson is here [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

Oh, okay; now, do you know if Brock was pulled off this station at anytime prior to the shooting of Oswald?

Mr. Dean.

No, sir; he was told to stay there.

Mr. Griffin.

But you don't know of your own knowledge

Mr. Dean.

No, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Whether he was there at that time?

Mr. Dean.

No, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Now, as the two police cars moved into position on the Commerce Street ramp behind the armored car, what happened, what did you see happen and what did you do?

Mr. Dean.

I heard someone say, "Here he comes, they are bringing him out." Of course, you could hear voices, loud voices, or excitement, and then I saw a man just dart in--this was during all the confusion, before the shooting, but I do recall seeing a man dart out. I couldn't tell who he was. It was that fast [witness snaps fingers].

Mr. Griffin.

Where did he seem to dart from?

Mr. Dean.

From the rail over here. The side just dart out from a group of people that were standing against the rail facing the exit [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Can you mark there with an "X" and a circle around it, approximately where he was and how close he was to this railing? Do you think he was fight on ,the railing or [indicating]--

Mr. Dean.

Well, the railing--you have a curb there and then I don't recall how wide that curb is, but the railing, you can lean against standing on the ramp itself [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

Yes; how far would you say he was from that railing?

Mr. Dean.

I would say he was up against the railing.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, is that the man that shot Oswald?

Mr. Dean.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Why don't you put a circle and an "X" down there and write Ruby ?

Mr. Dean.

[Indicating.]

Mr. Griffin.

Now, where was "Blackie" Harrison standing ?

Mr. Dean.

I didn't recognize or didn't notice "Blackie" Harrison. I do recall now and I know where he was standing, next to him, from films I have seen since then. However, I didn't even know he was there.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, as I understand from your statement, and interrupt me if I am incorrect, when you saw Ruby shoot Oswald, you moved toward the struggle and then Ruby was taken into the jail office, and did you follow them on in ?

Mr. Dean.

Yes, sir. I ran immediately, jumped over these cars, or one of them, jumped over the hood of it, over the top of it, and they were dragging--Ruby and several detectives that were subduing him were about at the door, or [-indicating]-

Mr. Griffin.

I had just as soon not have you mark at this point.

Mr. Dean.

Okay.