Mr. Hubert.

You were in uniform?

Mr. Archer.

No, no, sir; I was in civilian clothes, much as I am right now. White shirt, tie and suit.

Mr. Hubert.

You don't wear uniforms?

Mr. Archer.

No, sir; I am a plainclothes officer.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, you referred to "we" indicating that there were several of you there. Who were the others? Do you remember?

Mr. Archer.

I couldn't name you all the officers, I know Detective Clardy and Detective McMillon and Detective Dawson and Lieutenant Smart and myself were on this. We rode down in the same elevator. That's all I recall. There were other officers that eventually gathered in the basement, riding down, that is the only ones that I recall.

Mr. Hubert.

Did that party move as a party as you left the elevator?

Mr. Archer.

As a group.

Mr. Hubert.

That is what I mean. Where did you move to from the elevator?

Mr. Archer.

Well, after we got onto the into the basement--the elevator door was open--now, we got off and walked to in front of the jail office and I believe Lieutenant Smart told us to standby there for further orders. Then he walked away, at that particular time and I stayed standing against the south wall, the south wall which was opposite the jail office.

Mr. Hubert.

Was that outside the

Mr. Archer.

Outside the jail office.

Mr. Hubert.

Outside the jail office doors?

Mr. Archer.

Well, no, sir; it is before you leave the corridor, going into the basement in front of the jail office, but not into the basement entrance.

Mr. Hubert.

I see. How long did you stay there?

Mr. Archer.

It would be hard for me to say the exact time. In general I'd say about 5, maybe 7 minutes that we stayed there.

Mr. Hubert.

All right, then where did you move to next ?

Mr. Archer.

While standing there in front of the office, Captain Jones came through with Chief Batchelor, passed in front of us, entered the basement and, as I recall, they stood there and had some conversation. I didn't hear the conversation. Couldn't tell you what it consisted of, but after seeing this talking to Chief Batchelor, Captain Jones came back and said, "I want this corridor kept clear," and at the same time he did, the doors opened up. This was the corridor going into the basement in front of the Jail office, "I want the corridors kept clear," and he didn't necessarily order me. He indicated--just said, "I want the corridors kept clear," and that is when I took my station on the north side of the jail door, fight where the corridor goes into the basement, and also where the jail door opens into the basement where the automobiles are parked.

Mr. Hubert.

Can you tell me about what time it was that you took that station that you just described last?

Mr. Archer.

May I--my approximate time oh, sir, I couldn't give you an exact time from the time that would elapse, I would say approximately 11:05, or 11:08 a.m. Like I say, that is only an approximate

Mr. Hubert.

Let's try to get at it another way. About how long before the shooting did you take that post ?

Mr. Archer.

I would say at least 15 minutes previous. Prior to the shooting.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you leave that position that you have just described in any substantial way? I understand you weren't standing stock still, but substantially, did you remain in that location until the shooting?

Mr. Archer.

Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. Hubert.

I would like you to have a look at this mockup here and at the basement chart which is in conformity with it, and I am identifying this particular basement chart that I am going to ask you to testify about by marking on it, "Dallas, Texas, March 25, 1964. Exhibit 5091. Deposition of Don Ray Archer," is that right?

Mr. Archer.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, I am signing my name on it, and for the purpose of identification, I will ask you to put your name below mine.

Mr. Archer.

All right, sir.