Now, 11:20, you have as the time you first noticed the elevator coming down, and in a few seconds after that I guess they passed by?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. No, sir; the time at 11:20 that I am speaking of, I remember I looked at the clock as they were coming out of the elevator.

Mr. Hubert.

It was 11:20 just then?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. Of course, that is only a matter of seconds.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, they passed by you ?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. As they came down, and as they came off the elevator Captain Fritz was the first man off, and he said, "Are they ready?" And I know that then I stepped out of the door, and I don't recall whether I ever answered him or not, but I stepped out into the corridor first. If I would have answered him I am sure I have---would have told him that it was ready, but I don't recall whether I did or didn't because I presumed they were ready, as everyone else did, and I know I stepped out into the corridor, to the left as you went out the door. I stepped to the left possibly 3 or 4 feet from the door, and they passed me then.

Mr. Hubert.

On your right?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. Yes, sir; they passed me with Oswald at that time, and had proceeded past me approximately 6 or 7 feet when the incident happened.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see any shooting at all ?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. I heard the shot, and did see the gun, but at--but not at the time of the shooting. I saw the gun after the officers had grabbed it and had swarmed Jack Ruby.

Mr. Hubert.

Describe Jack Ruby coming out of the group.
Lieutenant WIGGINS. I saw a man coming out. I had no idea who it was, but, I mean, it happened so quickly I caught it in the corner of my eye, and I saw him out of the corner, saw him coming out of the crowd, but I didn't know at that time who it was.

Mr. Hubert.

Just about what position in the crowd did he come from?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. If you were familiar with that location I could tell you exactly.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, now, we have here a mockup of the area, and also a corresponding chart that you can use, and for purposes now of identifying it, I am going to mark this document as follows, "Dallas, Tex, March 24, 1964. Exhibit No. 5076, deposition of Woodrow Wiggins." And I am signing my name to it, and I ask you, for the purpose of identification to sign beneath my name. Now, first of all, you--using the mockup to get your own position, and then secondly, I ask you to mark on this chart that we have identified your position by placing a circle actually at the place where you were.
Lieutenant WIGGINS. Where my position was?

Mr. Hubert.

At the time the shot was fired.
Lieutenant WIGGINS. All right, sir. I had come out of this door and I had stepped to along here, Just about there [indicating].

Mr. Hubert.

Just put a circle there.
Lieutenant WIGGINS. Okay.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, I am writing--you have marked a little mark there and I have put a circle around it and I am marking here, "Position of Wiggins at the time of the shot." And circling that, is that corect?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. That is prexactly (sic) correct.

Mr. Hubert.

Now on that same map would you put a mark which I am also going to circle later and identify as to the spot as best you can recollect it where you first saw Ruby coming out.
Lieutenant WIGGINS. The spot where he was?

Mr. Hubert.

Where he was.
Lieutenant WIGGINS. When I saw him?

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