And Fritz could do what he wanted with him? Until he relieved himself of the obligation of the "tempo" card by putting him back in your custody?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. That's true.

Mr. Hubert.

When were you first aware that Oswald was going to be moved in the immediate future?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. When was I aware that he was en route, or

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.
Lieutenant WIGGINS. Or, being moved to the county?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.
Lieutenant WIGGINS. I'd say possibly a minute before the shooting occurred, they called me someone called me from the Captain Fritz' office, the homicide bureau, and told me they were en route down the elevator with Oswald, and I know that when I hung the phone up I looked in and could tell by the elevator lights it was on the way down.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, in your statement you fix that moment at 11:20. How do you fix that? Do you remember now how you fixed that?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. I remember looking at our clock as they came by. I don't know why, but I looked, just to be sure.

Mr. Hubert.

That is the big electric clock, that is on the wall there ?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. Big electric clock on the wall there.

Mr. Hubert.

The wall that is adjacent to the ramp?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. Well, I don't know what you mean, "adjacent to it," it is directly---on the wall directly in front of the hallway.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, as you come into the Jail office, from the corridor, that clock is on the wall to your right? Lieutenant WIGGINS. Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Is that an electric clock?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. Yes, sir; it is.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you all check it frequently?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. No; but maybe just occasionally might call the bank to get the time, but

Mr. Hubert.

Will you estimate just how accurate that clock is, normally, and was on the day in question, the 24th?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. No; I would say that it was possibly, I'm sure, not over 2 to 3 minutes off either way.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you think that there could be a 6 minutes difference?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. No; I certainly don't.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, you see what I mean. In other words, you say it could be 3 minutes off either way, then there could be a difference no, I see what you mean. Could be a difference of only 3 minutes. Have you ever known it to be that much off?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. Not to my knowledge. I don't recall the time that I--

Mr. Hubert.

As a matter of fact, being an electric clock the only thing that will stop it from working is if the current went off, is that right?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. Yes, sir. And, now, I don't recall on any particular details of ever having set that clock for---or anyone having set it. I don't know.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you rely on that clock for timing other events in your business of running the Jail ,office?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. Repeat that question. I am not sure I understand what you mean.

Mr. Hubert.

I take it that the time of various events, like the time of a prisoner's release on bond, or the time that he is actually brought in is a matter of record in some instances, with the police?
Lieutenant WIGGINS. Yes.

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