Mr. Curry.

the room, and there was a couple of detectives who brought the suspect in. Henry Wade and Alexander were in the vicinity--they were not right there with me, so when we brought him in, the news media started then to trying to talk to him and he was only there for a few seconds and we removed him.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see, during the time you were in the assembly room that you have just been speaking about, the man you now know as Jack Ruby in that room?

Mr. Curry.

No, sir; I didn't. I understood he was there, but I didn't see him, and would not have known him had I seen him.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, that's correct, but now that you do know him?

Mr. Curry.

I didn't recognize him.

Mr. Hubert.

You didn't recognize him?

Mr. Curry.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Your present memory doesn't associate the man you now know as Jack Ruby with being in that room ? Mr. CURRY. That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, can you tell us why Oswald was moved for the purpose of charging him in the case of Tippit, and subsequently in the case of the President?

Mr. Curry.

I don't know in the case of Tippit. I wasn't there. I mean, I wasn't present when he was charged, but he was charged with the murder of the President--he was charged in the lobby of the identification bureau, which is on the fourth floor of the police department, and he was brought out of the jail into the identification bureau and the charge was read to him by Judge David Johnston.

Mr. Hubert.

What I am trying to get at is what security measures were observed with reference to him during the time that he was moved through these crowds of people?

Mr. Curry.

Officers surrounded him. We had officers in front and in the back and by the side of him as he was moving--usually two detectives, two or three uniformed officers, when he moved through the crowds.

Mr. Hubert.

I understand you said that there was a huge crowd on the third floor?

Mr. Curry.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And I would take it that there was a rather large crowd in the assembly room?

Mr. Curry.

Yes; there were several--a good many there.

Mr. Hubert.

IS it fair to say that other than on the third floor, when he was being moved and when he was in the assembly room, he was not exposed in any way?

Mr. Curry.

No; he was not.

Mr. Hubert.

That is to say, there were no persons around him but police then?

Mr. Curry.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, when he was moved through the hall, however many times he was at the third floor--of course, you had this mob of newsmen and there were a group of newsmen in the assembly room ?

Mr. Curry.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What I am getting at--what security measures were taken, if you know, with respect to who was in that crowd of newsmen of the people in the assembly room?

Mr. Curry.

I don't know, other than on the third floor. I know that there was some police reservists and a police sergeant who was screening people who came up on the third floor.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, how would they screen them?

Mr. Curry.

AS they got off of the elevator, I would observe that they would check them, apparently asking for identification.

Mr. Hubert.

The elevator would be the only way to get up there?

Mr. Curry.

The stairway, they could get up the stairway. The officers were so located that had someone come up the stairway they would have seen them too.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, the officers checking the elevator could also check the staircase?

Mr. Curry.

That's right.