Mr. Kriss.

No; all I saw was officers standing right at the head of this--this officer right there. With a shotgun.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know who he was ?

Mr. Kriss.

No, sir; I don't.

Mr. Hubert.

But he is a regular?

Mr. Kriss.

No reserves were armed. We are all unarmed. Unarmed and we don't carry arms.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, in looking from your position No. "2." Up the ramp, were there can you tell us whether there were a lot of people standing in that area ?

Mr. Kriss.

No; I didn't. I was just--had lots of people right in this area, right about here [indicating].

Mr. Hubert.

You were talking about that northeast position?

Mr. Kriss.

Yes, sir; all this area right in here [indicating].

Mr. Hubert.

And where the down ramp going--

Mr. Kriss.

All this area right on this side. That is where they were all standing.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, you can't say "this side," sir. While I understand it -

Mr. Kriss.

The east side. The east side, excuse me. The east side. I keep forgetting she's taking it down.

Mr. Hubert.

They were all standing up against the rail?

Mr. Kriss.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Right by the television cameras.

Mr. Kriss.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

Is that correct?

Mr. Kriss.

Right; that's right.

Mr. Hubert.

And then the ramp going from the basement down into the parking area ?

Mr. Kriss.

Yes; right.

Mr. Hubert.

And further along toward Commerce Street along that rail?

Mr. Kriss.

Yes; there was a truck there, large truck here and another car pulled up right behind the armored truck.

Mr. Hubert.

Both on the Commerce Street side?

Mr. Kriss.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Directing your attention again to whether there were a great number of people in an area that I am now marking with an oblong and going to call it "area A," and.

Mr. Kriss.

That area there?

Mr. Hubert.

Well--

Mr. Kriss.

Well, I couldn't be for sure, but it seemed that large amount people all around there .and in here, too.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you notice an automobile being driven out of there just a few seconds or minutes--

Mr. Kriss.

I can't recall that. I have tried to remember that and I can't recall that. No; I can't recall that.

Mr. Hubert.

You don't recall it?

Mr. Kriss.

No; I can remember something vaguely. I can remember doing something--they were moving a car, but I was mostly interested in watching the press, keeping everyone here. That was my job, keeping everyone on the. east side of the rail

Mr. Hubert.

I understand, and you were looking more at the press than at the Main Street ramp?

Mr. Kriss.

That's correct; that's correct.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see this man when he came down ?

Mr. Kriss.

No; I didn't see---all I saw was just a blur right in here [indicating]. I didn't see---I was like everyone else, I was waiting here, and Oswald was right here [indicating], and that is where I looked at Oswald, and I was a curiosity seeker, I think, when I should have been watching--I was--learned my lesson.

Mr. Hubert.

Well.

Mr. Kriss.

Like everyone else, everyone else was watching that.

Mr. Hubert.

So, your attention was on Oswald?