Mr. Griffin.

If anybody had come down the Main Street ramp up to the time, between the time that O'Dell's car left and the time that Pierce's car went up, would you have seen the person who was coming down there?

Mr. Harrison.

I don't think I would have. I was facing more or less back in this particular

Mr. Griffin.

All right. At any time during those few minutes between O'Dell's car leaving and Pierce's car leaving, did you look in the direction of the Main Street ramp or over in the direction of the garage area ?

Mr. Harrison.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes. Now, if Jack Ruby had been in that area during that period, would you have seen him?

Mr. Harrison.

I don't know about that.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, now, why do you say that ?

Mr. Harrison.

I don't know whether I would have seen him or not. It was mass confusion, as far as people moving around in there.

Mr. Griffin.

But the confusion was over in the area at the entrance of the garage, wasn't it?

Mr. Harrison.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And this area up the Main Street ramp was relatively clear?

Mr. Harrison.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And you knew Jack Ruby well enough, certainly as well as you know Mr. MacMaster, if you saw him just even briefly, you would recognize him?

Mr. Harrison.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

So if at any time you had looked over in that area and Jack Ruby were there, you would have seen him, wouldn't you?

Mr. Harrison.

Well, it was very hard to see in this direction at all.

Mr. Griffin.

In the direction of the garage?

Mr. Harrison.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Why was that?

Mr. Harrison.

In this position. These floodlights were very bright.

Mr. Griffin.

Uh-huh.

Mr. Harrison.

They had--I don't know how many they had.

Mr. Griffin.

How long were the floodlights on prior to the time that Oswald came out?

Mr. Harrison.

I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Were they--try to think about this, now--were they on when you first came into the basement?

Mr. Harrison.

No; I don't believe they were.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, they were taken--did you know whether or not, when the armored car came down the Commerce Street ramp, the, TV cameras, any of the TV cameras, were focused on that armored car?

Mr. Harrison.

I didn't notice that. He didn't get all of the way down there.

Mr. Griffin.

At the time that Rio Pierce's car moved out, were the floodlights on?

Mr. Harrison.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

At the time that O'Dell's car moved out, were the TV cameras--were the floodlights on?

Mr. Harrison.

I don't recall whether they were on or off.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, did you have any trouble seeing up in the direction of the armored car?

Mr. Harrison.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

And standing, from where you were, even in the center of the entranceway toward the jail office, you could see up the ramp toward the armored car and you could recognize the faces of people up there, couldn't you?

Mr. Harrison.

Possibly, yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Was there other than the little difficulty we all experience with vision, either through age or what-not, was there anything unusually difficult about looking up in the direction and seeing in the direction of the Commerce Street ramp?

Mr. Harrison.

No.