Mr. Griffin.

You couldn't distinguish them? All right. Are you able to describe the relative size of the newspaper reporters that Ruby moved there, in comparison to him ?

Mr. Croy.

No; because this man had run through, Ruby, if it was Ruby, was in a crouch. He was running low. The newspapermen were of average height and average build.

Mr. Griffin.

How could you tell that the two men he pushed were newspaper reporters?

Mr. Croy.

I don't know. They might have been police officers.

Mr. Griffin.

Did anybody that he pushed by have a camera in his hand or microphone or a pad of paper or anything?

Mr. Croy.

I don't recall whether they did or not. They were actually standing in front of me and I was looking at their backs.

Mr. Griffin.

Have you seen yourself in any photographs that have been taken of the basement area ?

Mr. Croy.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember where you saw that photograph? Was it a photograph in a magazine or newspaper or something?

Mr. Croy.

Television.

Mr. Griffin.

A TV film?

Mr. Croy.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall what station you saw that on?

Mr. Croy.

All of them. No; I don't. They just ran it and ran it and reran it, and every time I was in the room, someone said, "There you are," and I looked again.

Mr. Griffin.

Was this a showing that the police department made to you, or were you shown any films by the police department?

Mr. Croy.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

You saw this film on the regular, your home TV set, something like that?

Mr. Croy.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall in any of these films a shot of Ruby standing behind a very large man, standing right up at the back of a very large man, a very tall man, a man perhaps a head taller than he?

Mr. Croy.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

If you were shown these particular movie films, TV films that you saw, could you pick yourself out for us ?

Mr. Croy.

Well, the ones that I saw were the ones that I was trying to get the gun from Ruby, and the ones that they had taken after it was all over, and I was standing in the entrance to the jail office. Those are the only ones I have seen.

Mr. Griffin.

You didn't see a picture of yourself at the time Ruby started to move out toward Oswald?

Mr. Croy.

No; I saw the reruns of it when he ran in there and shot him, but I wasn't visible in that.

Mr. Griffin.

Did any one of these films that you watched show you reaching out and touching the coat of Ruby?

Mr. Croy.

No; none that I saw.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, you met Jack Ruby before, haven't you ?

Mr. Croy.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

About how many occasions had you seen Jack Ruby before he came into the basement?

Mr. Croy.

Once, that I can recall. I may have seen him many times before that, I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

As a reserve officer, do you have occasion to ride duty in the downtown area?

Mr. Croy.

Sometimes.

Mr. Griffin.

About how often would you say you did duty in the downtown area ?

Mr. Croy.

Requires once a month.

Mr. Griffin.

Is there any particular man that you always did duty with?

Mr. Croy.

Yes; there was one that I did ride quite a bit with.