Mr. Griffin.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Arnett.

I don't remember Captain Butler.

Mr. Griffin.

How about Sergeant Dean, did you see him up in that area? Sergeant Dean.

Mr. Arnett.

I believe I did. There was a bottle fell out of it.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, did you see the bottle fall out?

Mr. Arnett.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Could you actually see the bottle from where you were standing?

Mr. Arnett.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, when you had occasion to look up the Main Street ramp

Mr. Arnett.

Well now, my back was to the Main Street ramp.

Mr. Griffin.

Not the entire time; there were times when you looked up that too, wasn't there? You were down there for quite awhile?

Mr. Arnett.

Well, I don't remember just, you know, turning around, and looking back up that way.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember whether or not there was an officer stationed up there?

Mr. Arnett.

Yes, sir; there was.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever see him up there ?

Mr. Arnett.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Did you know who he was ?

Mr. Arnett.

No, sir; he was a regular officer, though.

Mr. Griffin.

How did you know that?

Mr. Arnett.

Well, a regular officer patrolman has a green patch on his shoulder up here. A reserve officer has a white patch; a radio accident investigator has a rod patch. I believe traffic wears a brown. He was a regular patrolman.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, did you see him before he got up to the top of that ramp?

Mr. Arnett.

Did I See him before he got up there?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Arnett.

You mean did I see him going up there? Now, I may have seen him in the basement, before he was sent up there. I don't know about that.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you have remembered him, though; do you remember seeing him in the basement before he was sent up?

Mr. Arnett.

Not that I recall; no sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember seeing him walk up the ramp?

Mr. Arnett.

No, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

So from where you were standing, I take it you could see the green patch on his

Mr. Arnett.

Uh-huh.
Coat. And you wear glasses, don't you? Not all the time.
Were you wearing glasses that time?
No, sir; I use them mostly to read with or some work like this

Mr. Arnett.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, is your eyesight without glasses 20-20?
Mr. ARNETT. No, Sir; if they was I wouldn't be wearing glasses. Mr. GRIFFIN. But you still tell me
Mr. ARNETT. I see off at a distance good, but I can't see to read a newspaper or something, a fine print or something close to me, but off at a distance drive without glasses.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You and I are sitting here maybe 6 or 8 feet away. Take off your glasses. Do you have any trouble seeing me [indicating] ?

Mr. Arnett.

NO, sir; not a bit. Where I have my trouble is fine print and
something like that [indicating].
Mr. GRIFFIN. Take your glasses off a second. Mr. ARNETT. Okay [complying].
Mr. GRIFFIN. I am going to hold up something here, and do you see a colored spot on there [indicating] ?
Mr. ARNETT. I See a rod one.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And I am holding this dictaphone package, about 10 feet away from you, aren't I [indicating] ?