Mr. Griffin.

over in there,. could you see cars or people or anything over behind those TV cameras; could you see anything beyond those TV cameras ?

Mr. Arnett.

Well, I saw this car that was coming out. Now, that was before Lee Oswald was brought down.

Mr. Griffin.

But did you see that car before it came out of the garage?

Mr. Arnett.

I saw it coming out of the ramp.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Now, did you see it before it came to the ramp?

Mr. Arnett.

I don't believe I did.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. So do you have any recollection as to whether you could see objects in that area?

Mr. Arnett.

No, sir; I don't, I sure don't.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, you watched that car come out of the garage?

Mr. Arnett.

Uh huh.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, where did you watch it go?

Mr. Arnett.

It went out the Main Street entrance, up the ramp.

Mr. Griffin.

And did you see it get to the top of the ramp?

Mr. Arnett.

I didn't look at it as it entered the top of the ramp. We were getting back into position, but we did have to break up, because we were all the way across the ramp, and we had to break up for it to go out, but you know how you would do, you would back up against the wall or something out of the way, for it to go by.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, you say you had to break up. Was there a line formed across there before the car came out?

Mr. Arnett.

Well, we were standing just, you know, side of one another all the way across there.

Mr. Griffin.

Was that Sam Pierce's car?

Mr. Arnett.

They say it was.

Mr. Griffin.

They say it was. Do you remember how many people were in that car?

Mr. Arnett.

No, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Was this the last car that came out of the garage before Lee Oswald was shot?

Mr. Arnett.

There was one come out and backed up in position.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes; but was that the last one that went up the Main Street ramp ?

Mr. Arnett.

I said there was two cars to start with, and some of them said there wasn't but one, and I said I guess there was just one, but I thought at that time I remembered two cars going out, but I am not going to swear that there were, because I could be wrong about that.

Mr. Griffin.

I know that, but I want to know just what you remember and whatever your recollection is. Then we will try to see how good it really is. But what do you think you saw when this car--you say you think you saw two cars go up the ramp?

Mr. Arnett.

I think so. That's my honest opinion about it.

Mr. Griffin.

That's what I want. Now, when you saw that first car go up the ramp, how long would you say after the first car went up did the second car go up ?

Mr. Arnett.

Well, it wasn't very long.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Now, did you watch that first car go up the ramp?

Mr. Arnett.

No, sir; I did not.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, as you were standing here where we have marked the A and as you looked over toward the armored car, did you have occasion to look over at that armored car?

Mr. Arnett.

It was straight in front of me.

Mr. Griffin.

That was up near the top of the Commerce Street ramp, wasn't it?

Mr. Arnett.

Yes, sir; or just inside. I don't believe it was all the way under the shed.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see Chief Batchelor up there?

Mr. Arnett.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see Captain Butler up there?

Mr. Arnett.

Captain Butler?