All right. After that, what did you occupy yourself with?
Captain TALBERT, The usual duty of getting my platoon on duty and balancing the detail,
Mr. HUBERT, Did you do anything looking toward the ultimate transfer of Oswald ?
Captain TALBERT. Not at that time; no, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

When did you begin to do anything with reference to the transfer ?
Captain TALBERT. Approximately 9 a.m. Traffic was building up rather heavy on the downtown streets. Primarily on Commerce, people going by the intersection of Commerce and Houston and the--viewing the Book Depository Building, and we had a few people gathering on Commerce Street side of the city hall.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ever see them gathering on the Main Street side?
Captain TALBERT. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know why?
Captain TALBERT. Evidently the people who were gathering realized that our exit side was Commerce and our entrance side was Main.

Mr. Hubert.

Is that a fact?
Captain TALBERT. That is a fact.

Mr. Hubert.

That is to say internally, your traffic goes from Main to Commerce, and goes no other way ?
Captain TALBERT. That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

That is a one-way ramp ?
Captain TALBERT. Yes, sir; all of our vehicles enter on Main Street and-exit on Commerce Street.

Mr. Hubert.

Of course, there is no physical reason why it couldn't be the opposite ?
Captain TALBERT. Yes, sir; there is. Commerce is one way, and makes it more difficult to----Oh, I'm sorry. There is no physical reason.

Mr. Hubert.

No. That's all right. You have explained it. You had misunderstood what I meant when I said, "physical." Captain TALBERT. Sure.

Mr. Hubert.

Actually, it is an internal rule, that is, a normal rule because of the fact that Commerce is a one-way street.
Captain TALBERT. The accessibility to the street.

Mr. Hubert.

Main is a two-way street?
Captain TALBERT. Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

What time did Chief Curry come in ?
Captain TALBERT. I don't know, sir. I didn't see him all day.

Mr. Hubert.

You didn't see him all day on the 24th?
Captain TALBERT. No, sir. I mean I don't recall having seen him. I didn't converse with him. If I saw him I didn't converse with him.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you take any action about looking to the movement or transfer and the security thereof, of Oswald?
Captain TALBERT. That is a very broad statement and can we narrow it down into my actions taken of any probable disturbance that we might have around the city hall?

Mr. Hubert.

Just tell us what you did.
Captain TALBERT. All right, sir. At 9, or about, Lieutenant Pierce, that is Sam Pierce.

Mr. Hubert.

That is Rio Pierce?
Captain TALBERT. Sam.

Mr. Hubert.

Sam Pierce?
Captain TALBERT. Rio Sam Pierce. R. S. Pierce. [spelling] R-i-o, just like the river. Rio Sam Pierce is my central area lieutenant, and I talked the situation over with him about the traffic problem, and the people that were giving the appearance of going to start gathering on the Commerce Street side, and what we should do about the possible security around the city hall. It would have to alleviate having to call the squads in over the dispatcher.

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