Mr. Pic.

and he struck me he was not complaining about the money but the availability of food.

Mr. Jenner.

Is it your impression that he had become disenchanted with Russia?

Mr. Pic.

Yes; I got this impression.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you ever hear him say anything while you were boys in which he expressed dissatisfaction with the United States or its Government?

Mr. Pic.

No, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

He made no comment on that subject when you saw him on Thanksgiving Day 1962?

Mr. Pic.

I think his only bitter feelings that I recollect was his dishonorable discharge from the Marine Corps. This was the only bitter feelings he reported to me in anyway.

Mr. Jenner.

I would like to have you tell us what he said as--did he return to that subject repeatedly ? What leads you now to conclude or state by way of conclusion that he was bitter about that?

Mr. Pic.

I think the idea of driving came up, the talk about automobiles. I also think that he made the statement--

Mr. Jenner.

When you say that is your present recollection?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.

Mr. Pic.

I also think that he made the statement that he---

Mr. Jenner.

Here, again, you mean to the best of your recollection?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir; to the best of my knowledge, that he made the statement he wasn't driving because of this dishonorable discharge he received. He was unable to obtain a driver's license. Then he told me he was attempting to get this changed, and he had written several letters to the Secretary of the Navy about getting it changed.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he mention the then Governor Connally in that connection?

Mr. Pic.

I believe he did, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Governor Connally was not then Secretary of the Navy. Did he express any resentment toward Governor Connally?

Mr. Pic.

I think when he explained it to me--

Mr. Jenner.

Please, you have said again "I think."

Mr. Pic.

To the best of my recollection, sir, when he mentioned to me that he had written to get it changed, Governor Connally was the Secretary of the Navy. He did mention the name Connally.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you have any feeling or get the impression that he was bitter toward Governor Connally as a person? He was not, then, of course--

Mr. Pic.

No, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Secretary of the Navy.

Mr. Pic.

No, sir; just the fact that the man had the job and he was the man he had written it to.

Mr. Jenner.

Was anything said about Fair Play for Cuba Committee on this occasion?

Mr. Pic.

There was no discussion about Cuba. I think this was right after the Cuban crisis, and I think we may have talked about the mobilization a little bit.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he express any views on that subject?

Mr. Pic.

No, sir; he didn't.

Mr. Jenner.

Was President Kennedy discussed at anytime?

Mr. Pic.

I don't recollect, sir.
He struck me on that meeting as really only having two purposes: One, to straighten out the dishonorable discharge and the other one to pay back the Government the money it had lent him to come back to the United States.

Mr. Jenner.

You were interested--Charlie Murret was a dentist and a graduate of Louisiana State University. Joyce Murret married an athletic coach and lives in Beaumont, Tex.?

Mr. Pic.

Right.

Mr. Jenner.

Gene Murret you have mentioned. He is a seminarian at Mobile, Ala. Boogie Murret works for Squibb & Co. He is a graduate of Loyola of New Orleans.