Mr. Jenner.

And you boys were aware of that, were you?

Mr. Pic.

I was aware of it. She always--I remember once when we lived on Eighth Avenue, 1 believe was the place, the people named McLean living next to us, of course he was an attorney and everything, and they had some money, and my mother--

Mr. Jenner.

What town was this?

Mr. Pic.

This was Fort Worth, sir. My mother remarked to me once that Mrs. McLean had said she went and played the slot machines and lost $100 in it, and she raved and ranted about this for half an hour or an hour about how this woman could go and waste 8100 and what she could do with it and everything. She resented the fact this woman lost her own money.

Mr. Jenner.

I haven't found a single letter yet, Sergeant, in which your mother fails to mention the subject of money.

Mr. Pic.

You may find a Christmas card, "Love, Mother," sir.

Mr. Jenner.

A letter?

Mr. Pic.

No, sir; I don't think you will. These are only part of them. I threw out a whole bunch a couple of years ago. They were all basically the same.

Mr. Jenner.

Was your mother loving and affectionate toward you boys?

Mr. Pic.

I would say for myself, sir, I wasn't to her.

Mr. Jenner.

What is that?

Mr. Pic.

I was not toward her.

Mr. Jenner.

Why?

Mr. Pic.

I had no motherly love feeling toward her. Like I say, I think I first became resentful to her when she informed me I would not return to the military school and from then my hostilities toward her grew.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, up to that point, what had been your feeling toward your mother?

Mr. Pic.

We had never been in a very affectionate family, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

That is affectionate with respect to the boys toward your mother?

Mr. Pic.

That is right, sir; kissing her, and things like this. It is my own opinion that she is out right now to make as much money as she can on her relationship with Lee Harvey Oswald. That. is the only thing--I don't really believe she really believes he is innocent. I think she is out to make money than if she has to say he is guilty. I think she is a phony in the whole deal. Also, I think you will find with myself, Robert and Lee, also, that we didn't have these or don't have these feelings towards money that she does. I mean I live on my base pay and I have for years, and Robert makes the best what he can, and whenever we get together, we never discuss money. The only time I seen Lee as an adult he didn't discuss it, not to the extent that we were used to,
we never felt this way.

Mr. Jenner.

It is your information, is it, that your mother's first marriage was to your father?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Her second, then, to Robert Lee Edward Oswald?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And her third to E. A. Ekdahl?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

So far as you know she has not been married otherwise than those three occasions?

Mr. Pic.

No, sir; Has she?

Mr. Jenner.

We don't know, if she has we don't know anything about it.
Did your brother Lee on the occasion on Thanksgiving Day 1962 say anything about whether he had had a hard time in Russia?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

That is a hard time in the sense of earning a living?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Or some other sense?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir; earning a living.

Mr. Jenner.

What do you recall he said in that connection?

Mr. Pic.

That he made about $80 a month, and it wasn't the money so much.
It was the products were not available to him and also his wife to get even with the money, and they consistently ate cabbage and he was tired of cabbage,