(Testimony of John Edward Pic Resumed)
Mr. Pic.
a good father in that he would relieve Marina the burden of holding the child and taking care of it.
Mr. Jenner.
How was he attired when you met him at the bus station?
Mr. Pic.
He had on a sport jacket and tie. Sports jacket and tie.
Mr. Jenner.
He was clean and neat?
Mr. Pic.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Jenner.
Flow did Marina and your brother Lee appear to be getting along?
Mr. Pic.
Well, sir; being they only spoke Russian to each other, I don't know what they said, but they appeared to be just like any other married couple married a year or 2.
Mr. Jenner.
Was there any conversation during the course of the day in which you participated or overheard as to Marina's undertaking to learn English?
Mr. Pic.
Well, my sister-in-law, Vada--
Mr. Jenner.
That is Robert's wife?
Mr. Pic.
Wife. Of course, she had, she and my wife had a lot to say to each other, and through my wife, I found out what Vada had said to her, that Lee did not permit Marina to wear any lipstick. he did not permit her to learn English. My wife, she thought this was really absurd and said the best thing to do was to get them a TV set and let her sit home and learn English. My wife thought it was terrible the way her conditions were as far as this was concerned. The girls seemed to gather in the dinette and we sat around in the living room, talking.
Mr. Jenner.
Was anything said by Vada or your wife on that occasion as to the reason why Lee was not permitting Marina to learn English and speak it and write it?
Mr. Pic.
Well, my wife assumed that if she did ever learn English she would wise up, being we had seen the Japanese wise with their husbands. For example, while they were living over in Japan and the wife is usually meek and mild but when they get over here they change. you see, she gets her American .ways, and lowers the boom on the husband like all the other American wives do. And my wife was under the impression that this would happen if once she did learn English and everything.
Mr. Jenner.
All right. Keep talking about what occurred on this particular day, what was said, what your impressions were until you exhaust all of your recollection.
Mr. Pic.
Well, Marina and the two wives helped prepare the meal, set the table, and we ate, and there was family talk. At no time did we mention our mother. She wasn't present. In fact--I will take that statement back.
Some time during our stay there Vada mentioned that she had seen my mother driving around with a man and she thought she had remarried. This may have been that day, it may have been a day or so later. We stayed there Thursday, Friday, and Saturday and we left Sunday.
Mr. Jenner.
Was anything said during the course of that occasion or in your presence or reported to you by your wife, as to how Vada and Marina had gotten along while the Oswalds, your brother. and she lived with your brother Robert and your sister-in-law Vada?
Mr. Pic.
I wouldn't remember that, sir. If it was any talk it was probably on caring, and so forth, about the child and so forth, which is small talk to the men, of course.
Mr. Jenner.
Did you learn on that day that Lee had lived with your brother for a while?
Mr. Pic.
I had learned during that time period that Lee and Marina had lived with Robert when they returned, and that an attempt was made by the press and TV to contact them, but Robert wouldn't let them. Fie wasn't going to go through it again. Robert only had a one two-bedroom apartment, I mean house, and I am sure when we stayed there we were crowded a little bit. My wife and I slept on the floor, and I am sure Marina and Robert, I don't know where they slept--I mean Lee.
Mr. Jenner.
Your children slept in the bed and you and your wife slept on a mattress on the floor?
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