Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mr. Pic.

A shortage of food, rationing of certain items, about eating a lot of cabbage. He did say that the U.S. Government gave him the money to come back on. He was in the process of paying them back. In fact, he let it be known that regardless of anything else he was going to pay the Government back.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he say "regardless of anything else, I am going to pay them back"? On what do you base that conclusory statement?

Mr. Pic.

Well, he made the statement they paid and he is paying them back, and he has got this job and he was telling me his financial situation, and saying so much money is going to pay the Government back.

Mr. Jenner.

What did he say about his financial situation ?

Mr. Pic.

He didn't give me this is what he gave me for an address. He said he lived in an apartment, one room apartment. They had no television, no radio, no coffee pot. In fact, we brought him a coffee pot for a present. Gave them a coffee pot and bought the little girl a stuffed animal of some type.

Mr. Jenner.

Thanksgiving Day you did this?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

How come you brought him a coffee pot?

Mr. Pic.

I was going to give him a present.

Mr. Jenner.

It is the coffee pot that interests me. Here you hadn't seen him

for a long time, you were bringing him a gift--why were you--

Mr. Pic.

Well, my wife being a Yankee---

Mr. Jenner.

Why did you bring him a coffee pot?

Mr. Pic.

My wife in her Yankee ways believed when you don't see people a long time you bring them a gift. It's just a token. We brought my brother Robert a present, a set of dishes I had in Japan, I bought them in Japan, and so naturally we couldn't give them anything without giving the other people something.

Mr. Jenner.

It isn't the fact that you brought him a gift. I can understand that. That would be, I might be even a little surprised if you hadn't. It is the particular gift in which I am interested. Why did you select a coffee pot? Was there something that led to that particular selection on your part?

Mr. Pic.

No, sir; we didn't know what really to bring them, and my wife says, it was one of these glass coffee pots that you put the candle under, you see, it wasn't a regular percolator. It was one of these that a hostess always likes to have available to pour coffee out of.

Mr. Jenner.

I see.

Mr. Pic.

And my wife had one, and she liked it so she figured we would give them one.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.
Tell us everything that occurred on that day, what he said, what Robert said that is pertinent, what you said, things that occurred, just completely exhaust your recollection.

Mr. Pic.

Well, Lee informed us that he was working at some type photography printing company.

Mr. Jenner.

In Dallas?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir; in Dallas.

Mr. Jenner.

You were advised during the course of that day he was then at that time living in Dallas?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir; that is what he said.

Mr. Jenner.

And working in some kind of photographic work in Dallas?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.

Mr. Pic.

I said he referred to their living conditions.

Mr. Jenner.

What did he say?

Mr. Pic.

They had a one-room, I think it was one room. They ate and slept in the same room, I believe. They had no radio, no TV. That Marina, when they first arrived, was really astounded about supermarkets. Every time she went in one she lost control of herself.
Marina herself wore no lipstick, very plainly dressed. Lee appeared to be