(Testimony of John Edward Pic Resumed)
Mr. Pic.
Yes, sir; we arrived at my brother Robert's Thanksgiving Day between about 11:30, 12:30.
Mr. Jenner.
In the morning?
Mr. Pic.
In the morning. We were to meet Lee and his wife at the Greyhound bus station approximately 2 o'clock. So Robert and I went down to pick him up. We picked them up outside the Greyhound bus station. Whether or not they--we had no way of seeing them getting off a bus. They were at the station when we got there. We did all the friendly sayings and I was--
Mr. Jenner.
Tell us what happened now? What was the attitude, what were your impressions?
Mr. Pic.
Well, I still was wondering if he was going to have this feeling of hostility toward me that he had shown the last time he had seen me, but it didn't manifest itself whatsoever. He introduced me to his wife, and I gave her a kiss, and his child. We got in the car, and he said I hadn't changed much, and we just talked like that. At no time did Marina speak any English. She would ask him questions in what I believe was Russian and he would talk back to her in--and talk through.
Mr. Jenner.
Did you have any discussion with him on that subject--where he had learned Russian?
Mr. Pic.
Well, sir, I knew he had been in Russia over 2 years, so evidently he had learned Russian while there.
Mr. Jenner.
There was no occasion because of that, it never occurred to you to ask him about how and when he had learned?
Mr. Pic.
I wasn't going to pry into his affairs, sir.
Mr. Jenner.
You didn't?
Mr. Pic.
No, sir; I didn't.
Mr. Jenner.
Did you inquire of him as to his life in Russia?
Mr. Pic.
We let him do the talking, sir.
Mr. Jenner.
Did he speak of it?
Mr. Pic.
Yes, sir; he did.
Mr. Jenner.
What did he say?
Mr. Pic.
He told us he worked in a factory there.
Mr. Jenner.
Did he say what kind of work he did?
Mr. Pic.
No, sir; he didn't.
Mr. Jenner.
What kind of a factory it was?
Mr. Pic.
Something to do with metalwork, aluminum, something like that, I believe. He told me he was making about $80 a month, I think, while he worked there.
Mr. Jenner.
Did he say he had accommodations that supplemented that salary? Was there anything about whether he had to pay rent or not pay rent for his quarters?
Mr. Pic.
He didn't talk about anything prior to him and Marina being married.
Mr. Jenner.
He did not?
Mr. Pic.
No, sir; all the conversation was after their marriage.
Mr. Jenner.
No discussion of his as to why he went to Russia in the first place?
Mr. Pic.
No, sir.
Mr. Jenner.
Was there any discussion of his defection or attempted defection?
Mr. Pic.
Per se, no, sir.
Mr. Jenner.
You are qualifying that. You say per se.
Mr. Pic.
Right. He did mention that because of his actions he had received a dishonorable discharge from the Marine Corps and that he was attempting to get this changed to an honorable status.
Mr. Jenner.
Did he appear bitter about it?
Mr. Pic.
He showed us his card which stated dishonorable or bad conduct, something like that. I think it was dishonorable. He showed it to me.
Mr. Jenner.
What was his--what impression did you have as to his overall attitude? What impression did you have as to his state of mind?
Mr. Pic.
He impressed me that he was glad to be back, that he didn't really enjoy his stay in Russia. He commented about the hard life they had there.
Mr. Jenner.
What did he say about that?
Mr. Pic.
What did he say, sir?
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