Mr. Pic.

turning toward communism or Marxism, whichever you want to call it, took place while he was in Japan and in the Marine Corps, sir, from the insinuations that were involved in the letter or from his own statements.

Mr. Jenner.

Up to this time, Sergeant, in all your association with your brother, had there been occasions when there were discussions with him in the family about any theories or reactions of his toward democracy, communism, Marxism, or any other form of government?

Mr. Pic.

Sir, the last time he talked to me, I think he was only about 12, 13 years old.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, the answer is no?

Mr. Pic.

No, sir; that is the answer--no, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

That is that there hadn't been any such discussions?

Mr. Pic.

That is correct, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

You--I take it from that answer--you never heard him assert any views?

Mr. Pic.

No, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

On his part, with respect to that subject matter?

Mr. Pic.

No, sir.
While I was processing to return to the States, I had seen in the paper and everything that Lee was returning to the United States. When I got my assignment to Lackland, the OSI kind of put it to me that if I didn't want to be in' the same vicinity as Lee that they could change my orders, and I told them that the United States felt he was reliable enough for, confident enough in him to let him return, that I would see no reason to change my assignment. The OSI authorities said there was no objection to me visiting him, talking to him or anything else. So I didn't make any attempt to get my assignment changed because of these reasons. Being it was close enough, you know, to see him fairly easily.

Mr. Jenner.

Did anything else occur that you think is pertinent to the time of your return to the United States?

Mr. Pic.

No, sir; the only thing I knew about him was what I read in the newspaper about him returning with his wife and child.

Mr. Jenner.

When you say newspapers this is the Stars and Stripes?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir; Stars and Stripes.

Mr. Jenner.

That is before you returned to this country you had read in the Stars and Stripes that he had returned to the United States?

Mr. Pic.

No, sir; he was on his way, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

He was on his way back?

Mr. Pic.

He was on his way back at the same time I was on my way back.

Mr. Jenner.

You knew he was on his way back, according to the Stars and Stripes, with his wife and child?

Mr. Pic.

Yes; sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And you arrived at Lackland Air Force Base when?

Mr. Pic.

I arrived in the San Antonio area approximately the 21st of July 1962, and got a house, got settled and then I signed in on my base in August. I was permitted 30 days leave, 13 days travel time, which I took advantage of. I think I took 27 days leave. So I started work in August, the latter part of August.

Mr. Jenner.

During that period of time of your 30 days' leave, after arriving at Lackland Air Force Base and San Antonio, did you, make any attempt to find out anything about your brother, where he was?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir; I called Robert, and we wrote a couple of letters, and he told me Lee was back, and he was living in Dallas and working there. and everything seemed to be okay.

Mr. Jenner.

Did your brother tell you that Lee, when he returned to this country, had lived with him for a while?

Mr. Pic.

I don't know if it was in these conversations. I learned at the Thanksgiving reunion that he did.

Mr. Jenner.

Which was Thanksgiving of 1962?

Mr. Pic.

That is correct, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Up to the time you saw your brother, I take it, you saw him Thanksgiving 1962?