Mr. Jenner.

In any event he did not stay with you.

Mr. Pic.

No, sir; he may have stayed with my mother also. I don't think so. Maybe for a night or two. We went out, my wife fixed him up with a date with one of her girl friends and we went out together a couple of times. So, we were invited up there for this Sunday dinner. So it was my mother, Lee, Robert, my wife, myself, and my son.

Robert was already there when we arrived. When Lee seen me or my wife he left the room. For dinner he sat in the front room watching TV and didn't join us whatsoever.

Mr. Jenner.

He did not join you for dinner?

Mr. Pic.

No, sir. Didn't speak to me or my wife.

Mr. Jenner.

That put a kind of pall on the visit, did it not?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you--he didn't speak to you. Did you attempt to speak with him?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he answer you?

Mr. Pic.

He shrugged his shoulders a couple of times maybe. He wasn't interested in anything I had to say.

Mr. Jenner.

He was definitely hostile to you and to Mrs. Pic?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And that continued throughout the entire visit that evening or was it an evening?

Mr. Pic.

It was early afternoon until dusk. We did have an infant son we had to get home.

Mr. Jenner.

Was it a Sunday or Saturday?

Mr. Pic.

I am sure it was a Sunday. In January 1950--

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me, what did you observe with respect to the attitude of Lee toward his mother on that occasion?

Mr. Pic.

When he was eating he came and got what he wanted, picked up his plate, went to the living room and watched TV. He decided what he wanted to eat and maybe she helped him. I don't really remember too much about it. I know he did not eat with us.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you notice his relation, if any, with Robert?

Mr. Pic.

From what I was told later and so forth when I wasn't present him and Robert got along real good.

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me. My question was did you observe on this occasion.

Mr. Pic.

There was nothing to observe while I was present, sir. He was completely withdrawn from the crowd.

Mr. Jenner.

He withdrew from everybody?

Mr. Pic.

That is correct, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.

Mr. Pic.

Personally, I didn't know if he was more hostile towards me or my wife. I still don't know this fact. Maybe it was her, maybe it was me, maybe it was both of us.
In January 1953, I did reenlist in the Coast Guard. I decided to stay in rather than quit, and so forth.

Mr. Jenner.

From the time of that October visit of Robert to January 1953, did you see Lee at any time during that period?

Mr. Pic.

No, sir; I did not. I seen my mother on several occasions. She was working on 42d Street in a Lerner's Dress Shop. I guess I would see her maybe once every 3 weeks to once a month, we dropped downtown, my wife and I, to see her.

Mr. Jenner.

What did she say about Lee during that time when you saw her on those occasions?

Mr. Pic.

Whenever I seen her, whether I was alone or with my wife, I was usually alone, I went to see her myself, my wife didn't care to see my mother, she would complain about her financial status and when I would ask her about how Lee was doing she would say, "OK" but would not elaborate.
Said "He is OK, but he doesn't have a brother, an older brother to talk to or no one to do anything with."

Mr. Jenner.

During this period of time and up to January 1953, in any of the