Mr. Pic.

Well, the day they moved out they had done this before I came home from work.

Mr. Jenner.

They had moved out before you came home from work?

Mr. Pic.

That is correct, sir. To elaborate, in my notes I have "after I approached Lee about this incident his feelings toward me became hostile and thereafter remained indifferent to me and never again was I able to communicate with him in any way."

Mr. Jenner.

Sergeant, if you can, instead of just reading from your notes, read your notes, and if they refresh your recollection and then give in your own words the facts.

Mr. Pic.

Well, prior to this particular incident, I would consider us the best of friends as far as older brother- younger brother relationship. My wife always says that he idolized me and thought quite a bit of me.

Mr. Jenner.

Up to this time, the relationship between you and your brother Lee, and your brother Robert, all three of you, had been a cordial normal friendly

relationship that you expect to exist among brothers?

Mr. Pic.

That is correct, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

What was your nickname?

Mr. Pic.

Pic.

Mr. Jenner.

What was your brother Robert's nickname?

Mr. Pic.

In Chamberlain-Hunt we referred to him as "Mouse". I think that hung on a while after that.

Mr. Jenner.

What nickname did he have before that?

Mr. Pic.

None that I recall.

Mr. Jenner.

Why did he get that? Was he a quiet boy?

Mr. Pic.

He was the littlest one in Chamberlain-Hunt and that was why they called him that.

Mr. Jenner.

I see, size.

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Did Lee ever have a nickname?

Mr. Pic.

Not that I know of, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

You had the feeling, did you, up until this incident at least that Lee is a young boy, 7 years younger than you, and his brother Robert 5 years older than he, and he looked up to both of you as older brothers?

Mr. Pic.

That is correct, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And you had, both you and your brother Robert had love in your heart for your brother Lee?

Mr. Pic.

That is correct, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And you felt he reciprocated that?

Mr. Pic.

That is correct, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And the relationship between yourself and your brother Robert was cordial?

Mr. Pic.

They always have, and still are, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

I may say to you that he so testified. All right.

Mr. Pic.

So they moved out in about September 1952, maybe it was late September, early October, somewhere around there, so from about somewhere between September of 1952 and January 1953, my brother Robert came to New York on leave, and we were all invited up to the Bronx.

Mr. Jenner.

To visit whom?

Mr. Pic.

Sir?

Mr. Jenner.

To visit whom?

Mr. Pic.

To visit my mother and my brother.

Mr. Jenner.

Your brother?

Mr. Pic.

That is correct.

Mr. Jenner.

Did your brother's wife accompany him?

Mr. Pic.

He wasn't married at that time, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

He wasn't married?

Mr. Pic.

I think this was, his leave was probably in October or November 1952, a matter of a month or two after they had moved out. We visited their apartment in the Bronx.

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me, where did your brother stay?

Mr. Pic.

I think he stayed at the Soldier-Sailor-Airmen Club in New York.