Mr. Paine.

and Thorne. I don't know much about Martin and Thorne either, but I had the impression that they were telling her stories.

Mr. Liebeler.

Well, of course, this is what the translator said Marina had said. Marina is going to be here tomorrow and I will ask her about this then and see if she can clarify the record, but the point we want to bring out now at this time is that your testimony is quite clear that you did not know before the assassination that Oswald had shot at General Walker?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

You testified before that Oswald had shown you one of those newspapers of his one day and said you could tell what they wanted you to do by doing some reading between the lines; is that correct?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

And my recollection is that he was specifically referring to a copy of The Worker that he showed you at that time?

Mr. Paine.

It was.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever see Oswald reading The Militant?

Mr. Paine.

I do not now remember which are the things that I have come to realize later and which I knew at the time. I was not particularly aware of The Militant, as I recall. I really have to remember what my feelings were back in the fall when I was questioned on the matter and that, as I recall, the name and quality or the name and nature of The Militant wasn't really very familiar to me.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever have any discussion with Oswald about the U.S. policies toward Cuba?

Mr. Paine.

Well, I don't think we did discuss that except in the very brief talk in the car when he was reciting someone else's approval--apparent approval of Castro and citing that he was a Communist.

Mr. Liebeler.

I remember you testified about that before that it was on the way back home after an ACLU meeting.

Mr. Paine.

That's right.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you told him, or thought if that was what he had to go on to identify anyone as a Communist, that he apparently was reaching quite far?

Mr. Paine.

I thought so, yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you recall that in the fall of 1963 there was a climate of what might be called, and what was in fact called, detente between the United States and the Soviet Union that apparently led people in. some quarters to believe that the Soviet Union would withdraw its support from the Castro regime or at least modify its attitude?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever have any discussion with Oswald about that?

Mr. Paine.

No, we did not.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Oswald ever indicate in any way that he was aware of such a thing?

Mr. Paine.

We very seldom spoke about it. Most of our discussions were to the more specific elements, since there was such a wide area of disagreement it didn't seem best to talk about smaller points, so we didn't talk about Soviet-American relations as I recall it in that regard.

Mr. Liebeler.

I show you a photograph which depicts the same individual as is depicted in Commission Exhibit No. 237 and ask you to examine it and tell me if you recognize the individual?

Mr. Paine.

I remember the same face on a picture that I saw earlier, but I had not at that time, and do not now, recognize the person., but he could work at Bell.

Mr. Liebeler.

In our discussions in Washington, we had some conversations about what you thought Oswald's possible motive might have been for the assassination--I don't think you have really ever set them forth for us on the record, and if you care to give us your views on that, I would appreciate having them.

Mr. Paine.

I was more eager to speak about it then--I was thinking about it then. Since that time I haven't thought about it at all.